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As the founder of the patent troll Intellectual Ventures the author (Nathan Myhrvold) has hurt our community deeply and I'm surprised how willing we are to give

As the founder of the patent troll Intellectual Ventures the author (Nathan Myhrvold) has hurt our community deeply and I'm surprised how willing we are to give him a platform.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
Shun him you say? Shun Gates for what he did to Apple, Netscape etc etc. Shun Googlers for what they're doing to competitors, shun Larry for suing about Java....and so on. Will anyone knowledgeable be left?
- steve_musk 8y ago
  Uhh, none of those are patent trolls. Sure they may sue their competitors but they actually make products. Patent trolls by definition do not.
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    So "patent troll" must be for tech to shun and declare upon them? Crushing your competition with everything possible is any better?
    - steve_musk 8y ago
      I can’t reallly understand what you are trying to say. But I think most people here would agree that running a company that does something useful is better than just sitting on patents and suing people for infringing on them.
      - onetimemanytime 8y ago
        My point is that we disagree with a lot of founders. Now he wrote an article, he either has a point on that article or he doesn't. If we started to shun smart people for something they did or didn't do (he says, I bought the patents and I'm monetizing them in legal ways) a lot would be lost.
      - candiodari 8y ago
        I think the point would be that Microsoft certainly makes products for a profit. And let's be honest: they're pretty useful products. At best, in their case, it's their side projects that we have issues with.
partycoder 8y ago
Because we already do give a platform to patent trolls. "The new" Microsoft trolls Android manufacturers and makes ~$1 billion from it. Then, they have the nerve to say "Microsoft <3 Linux". And they are still playing the embrace, extend and extinguish game. For example, according to Microsoft, you should stop using R CRAN and move to MRAN instead. https://mran.microsoft.com/ https://mran.microsoft.com/ btw, I don't care if I lose karma because of this, I have karma to spend.
- sharemywin 8y ago
  Android is so open to begin with. Let's face it anything that has a stock market symbol or plans to be a stock market symbol or be bought by a stock market symbol is a cannibalistic partner.

As the founder of the patent troll Intellectual Ventures the author (Nathan Myhrvold) has hurt our community deeply and I'm surprised how willing we are to give him a platform.

onetimemanytime 8y ago

Shun him you say? Shun Gates for what he did to Apple, Netscape etc etc. Shun Googlers for what they're doing to competitors, shun Larry for suing about Java....and so on. Will anyone knowledgeable be left?

steve_musk 8y ago
Uhh, none of those are patent trolls. Sure they may sue their competitors but they actually make products. Patent trolls by definition do not.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  So "patent troll" must be for tech to shun and declare upon them? Crushing your competition with everything possible is any better?
  - steve_musk 8y ago
    I can’t reallly understand what you are trying to say. But I think most people here would agree that running a company that does something useful is better than just sitting on patents and suing people for infringing on them.
    - onetimemanytime 8y ago
      My point is that we disagree with a lot of founders. Now he wrote an article, he either has a point on that article or he doesn't. If we started to shun smart people for something they did or didn't do (he says, I bought the patents and I'm monetizing them in legal ways) a lot would be lost.
    - candiodari 8y ago
      I think the point would be that Microsoft certainly makes products for a profit. And let's be honest: they're pretty useful products. At best, in their case, it's their side projects that we have issues with.

partycoder 8y ago

Because we already do give a platform to patent trolls. "The new" Microsoft trolls Android manufacturers and makes ~$1 billion from it. Then, they have the nerve to say "Microsoft <3 Linux". And they are still playing the embrace, extend and extinguish game. For example, according to Microsoft, you should stop using R CRAN and move to MRAN instead. https://mran.microsoft.com/ https://mran.microsoft.com/ btw, I don't care if I lose karma because of this, I have karma to spend.

sharemywin 8y ago
Android is so open to begin with. Let's face it anything that has a stock market symbol or plans to be a stock market symbol or be bought by a stock market symbol is a cannibalistic partner.