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Well - you haven't refuted any of his core points wrt DPO, Push & XMPP. All your comments have been stated in an aggressive tone which generally is a negative s

Well - you haven't refuted any of his core points wrt DPO, Push & XMPP. All your comments have been stated in an aggressive tone which generally is a negative signal. At this point, I feel you need to provide more context to your core points vs. just saying read the GDPR and comply with it (or that you should have already done 2 yrs back). Even companies like Google and FB are complying with it in the past month.

jacquesm 8y ago
I have, just not in this comment. See elsewhere in this thread, it's hard to miss.
DanBC 8y ago
DPO has been thoroughly refuted in this thread. He doesn't need a DPO; if he wants to hire a DPO that can be him.
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  This is the furthest thing from true, like almost every single question about this terrible law. Vague law + faceless bureaucracies + universal application + crippling penalties...sounds like a brilliant combo to destroy people’s lives.
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  - riffraff 8y ago
    as usual, the rebuttal is: there have been this kind of laws in Europe for a decade. For example, if you're operating in Italy and don't provide 2 separate checkboxes for managing personal data directly and indirectly at sign up time you're in breach of the law. Do you remember many people's lifes crippled by this?
    - tripletao 8y ago
      It's certainly true that even before the GDPR, almost any nontrivial business could reasonably be argued to be violating some mostly-unenforced law. I don't see that as a reason to shrug, and make the problem one step worse. Selective enforcement of commercial law is a routine tool of unfree states--look at something like the tax charges against The Cambodia Daily. To trust in regulatory discretion is to trust that no government in the EU--a continent that within living memory hosted Francisco Franco, Giorgios Papadopoulos, and much worse--will ever be run by people you disagree with. In the extreme, a dictator can always ignore or rewrite the law; but somewhere in the slide from our present democracy to that, I don't think it's unimaginable that the GDPR could be abused. I support privacy regulation. I don't see why it requires us to abandon the rule of law. ETA: Downvote if you trust Viktor Orban, I guess? I'm presuming a strong case of "it can't happen here"....
      - robin_reala 8y ago
        The EU isn’t a continent, and the dictators you mentioned didn’t control EU countries.
        tripletao 8y ago
        My wording was awkward, but I think the meaning is clear. "...in the EU--the union of countries primarily located in a continent that..." ? And what am I missing? They were dictators of Spain and Greece respectively. There are millions of people who can remember their rule alive in those EU countries today. What changed in the last fifty years to make a recurrence impossible? Turkey narrowly missed joining, and it's basically there now. Hungary seems well on its way.
        robin_reala 8y ago
        The threat of being suspended from the EU and the (potential) economic damage from that? You can’t be a dictatorship and keep the same rights in the union, as per the Copenhagen criteria and Article 7. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Political_criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Political_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_Eur...
AJ007 8y ago
There is signifiant disagreement to what extent Facebook and Google are compliant.
- zaarn 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure the regulatory bodies are thoroughly and wholly excited to take on Google and Facebook with some hefty fines and clarify the GDPR and how it applies. I can't wait either.
hrktb 8y ago
Google and Facebook have financial impacts in complying due to the very nature of their business. They comply later than everyone else not because they didn’t see it coming or didn’t prepare for it, just that it wasn’t in their interest to do it earlier

jacquesm 8y ago

I have, just not in this comment. See elsewhere in this thread, it's hard to miss.

DanBC 8y ago

DPO has been thoroughly refuted in this thread. He doesn't need a DPO; if he wants to hire a DPO that can be him.

ryanwaggoner 8y ago
This is the furthest thing from true, like almost every single question about this terrible law. Vague law + faceless bureaucracies + universal application + crippling penalties...sounds like a brilliant combo to destroy people’s lives.
- deleted 8y ago
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- riffraff 8y ago
  as usual, the rebuttal is: there have been this kind of laws in Europe for a decade. For example, if you're operating in Italy and don't provide 2 separate checkboxes for managing personal data directly and indirectly at sign up time you're in breach of the law. Do you remember many people's lifes crippled by this?
  - tripletao 8y ago
    It's certainly true that even before the GDPR, almost any nontrivial business could reasonably be argued to be violating some mostly-unenforced law. I don't see that as a reason to shrug, and make the problem one step worse. Selective enforcement of commercial law is a routine tool of unfree states--look at something like the tax charges against The Cambodia Daily. To trust in regulatory discretion is to trust that no government in the EU--a continent that within living memory hosted Francisco Franco, Giorgios Papadopoulos, and much worse--will ever be run by people you disagree with. In the extreme, a dictator can always ignore or rewrite the law; but somewhere in the slide from our present democracy to that, I don't think it's unimaginable that the GDPR could be abused. I support privacy regulation. I don't see why it requires us to abandon the rule of law. ETA: Downvote if you trust Viktor Orban, I guess? I'm presuming a strong case of "it can't happen here"....
    - robin_reala 8y ago
      The EU isn’t a continent, and the dictators you mentioned didn’t control EU countries.
      - tripletao 8y ago
        My wording was awkward, but I think the meaning is clear. "...in the EU--the union of countries primarily located in a continent that..." ? And what am I missing? They were dictators of Spain and Greece respectively. There are millions of people who can remember their rule alive in those EU countries today. What changed in the last fifty years to make a recurrence impossible? Turkey narrowly missed joining, and it's basically there now. Hungary seems well on its way.
        robin_reala 8y ago
        The threat of being suspended from the EU and the (potential) economic damage from that? You can’t be a dictatorship and keep the same rights in the union, as per the Copenhagen criteria and Article 7. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Political_criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria#Political_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_Eur...

AJ007 8y ago

There is signifiant disagreement to what extent Facebook and Google are compliant.

zaarn 8y ago
I'm pretty sure the regulatory bodies are thoroughly and wholly excited to take on Google and Facebook with some hefty fines and clarify the GDPR and how it applies. I can't wait either.

hrktb 8y ago

Google and Facebook have financial impacts in complying due to the very nature of their business. They comply later than everyone else not because they didn’t see it coming or didn’t prepare for it, just that it wasn’t in their interest to do it earlier