> But the fact is that despite its lack of mature tools, Clojure is more newbie-friendly than CL. That should give CL advocates pause. This is very fuzzy termi

> But the fact is that despite its lack of mature tools, Clojure is more newbie-friendly than CL. That should give CL advocates pause. This is very fuzzy terminology. What defines newbie-friendly? I can get an "enterprise-quality" Common Lisp environment and language for free. Likewise, the CL standard is also freely available and meticulously cross-indexed. As an added bonus there are countless Common Lisp books available on every imaginable topic. There are also numerous package managers (including the exciting http://quicklisp.org http://quicklisp.org) at my disposal. And for the cherry on top there are luminaries like Ranier Joswig and Xach Beane willing to take their free time to answer my idiotic questions. This, to me, is the very definition of newbie-friendly.