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You've gotta be kidding me. What in "western politics" is the equivalent of detaining free adult citizens charged with no crime, with no evidence toward any imm

You've gotta be kidding me. What in "western politics" is the equivalent of detaining free adult citizens charged with no crime, with no evidence toward any imminent threat, denied legal representation and speedy trial, in the hundreds of thousands?

jbob2000 8y ago
We do the same thing, we just create laws out of thin air first. Black people smoke marijuana? Make marijuana illegal! Now we can put them in prison!
- hungerstrike 8y ago
  Yep and also China of today was created by western powers. Mao Zhedong came out of Yale, the home of Sull and Bones. It’s not like a bunch of Chinese farmers decided that they wanted this government. This is the model for the next world-wide government after China wipes the USA off the map as planned. Most people can’t deal with this information, despite the fact that it is staring them right in the face. “Made in China” is a curse that people have accepted though, so as usual they get exactly what they deserve.
  - johnaoss 8y ago
    You do realize Mao Zedong didn't go to Yale right? His affilation with Yale was pretty loose at best. His father was a Chinese farmer too. The "China of Today" one could say was created by Western Powers would be Taiwan, but even Taiwan had it's foundings on anti-Western sentiments (Chiang Kai-Shek despised Western democracy).
    - hungerstrike 8y ago
      Sure. They just put him in charge of their school paper over there for no reason where ‘he edited its student magazine, re-focusing it on "thought reorientation," ‘ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale-China_Association#Early_years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale-China_Association#Early_y... You can also read an article about it on Yales website titled “Yale spurs Maos emergence“. I wish I were wrong about the direction things are heading in, but I'm not.
snackbugs 8y ago
It may not be happening to people you particularly care about so it may escape your notice, but headlines and social media posts with videos of this happening appear with regularity.
- lr4444lr 8y ago
  Can you post even one counter-example, please, for everyone's edification?
  - SauciestGNU 8y ago
    Here you go[0], this man was abducted by the FBI and held for 5 months without charges or evidence of imminent wrongdoing. His life was utterly destroyed in the process. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/rakem-balogun-interview-black-identity-extremists-fbi-surveillance https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/rakem-balogun-...
    - fiter 8y ago
      It sounds like the person in this case went through the normal court system whose processes resulted in his release. Probably the biggest shame in this case was not releasing him on bail. Tell me if I'm missing something!
      - pulisse 8y ago
        Please think through the fact pattern presented in that article. The FBI raided a man's home on the basis of Facebook posts that the agency itself admitted couldn't be characterized as threats to any person or organization. They nevertheless held him without bail for five months while they attempted to find evidence to justify a charge of abetting terrorism or the like. They couldn't come up with anything. In the end they charged him with unlawful gun possession, but that charge was specious enough that it thrown out by a judge before even going to trial. In the meantime the man lost his job and his home. This wasn't the normal functioning of law enforcement. This was abuse of law enforcement to punish politically disfavored speech (which speech, I repeat, the law-enforcement agency in question conceded was non-threatening).
rexpop 8y ago
ICE deportations.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  You missed the "charged with no crime" part. (Yes, you can pick a nit about whether that's really a "crime", and you can argue about whether it should be. It's still illegal, under the existing law, for those people to be here.)
  - lr4444lr 8y ago
    (And the "citizens" part).
PrimHelios 8y ago
America has the Patriot act. It isn't used to detain many people, but the government definitely has the ability to do it if they want.

jbob2000 8y ago

We do the same thing, we just create laws out of thin air first. Black people smoke marijuana? Make marijuana illegal! Now we can put them in prison!

hungerstrike 8y ago
Yep and also China of today was created by western powers. Mao Zhedong came out of Yale, the home of Sull and Bones. It’s not like a bunch of Chinese farmers decided that they wanted this government. This is the model for the next world-wide government after China wipes the USA off the map as planned. Most people can’t deal with this information, despite the fact that it is staring them right in the face. “Made in China” is a curse that people have accepted though, so as usual they get exactly what they deserve.
- johnaoss 8y ago
  You do realize Mao Zedong didn't go to Yale right? His affilation with Yale was pretty loose at best. His father was a Chinese farmer too. The "China of Today" one could say was created by Western Powers would be Taiwan, but even Taiwan had it's foundings on anti-Western sentiments (Chiang Kai-Shek despised Western democracy).
  - hungerstrike 8y ago
    Sure. They just put him in charge of their school paper over there for no reason where ‘he edited its student magazine, re-focusing it on "thought reorientation," ‘ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale-China_Association#Early_years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale-China_Association#Early_y... You can also read an article about it on Yales website titled “Yale spurs Maos emergence“. I wish I were wrong about the direction things are heading in, but I'm not.

snackbugs 8y ago

It may not be happening to people you particularly care about so it may escape your notice, but headlines and social media posts with videos of this happening appear with regularity.

lr4444lr 8y ago
Can you post even one counter-example, please, for everyone's edification?
- SauciestGNU 8y ago
  Here you go[0], this man was abducted by the FBI and held for 5 months without charges or evidence of imminent wrongdoing. His life was utterly destroyed in the process. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/rakem-balogun-interview-black-identity-extremists-fbi-surveillance https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/11/rakem-balogun-...
  - fiter 8y ago
    It sounds like the person in this case went through the normal court system whose processes resulted in his release. Probably the biggest shame in this case was not releasing him on bail. Tell me if I'm missing something!
    - pulisse 8y ago
      Please think through the fact pattern presented in that article. The FBI raided a man's home on the basis of Facebook posts that the agency itself admitted couldn't be characterized as threats to any person or organization. They nevertheless held him without bail for five months while they attempted to find evidence to justify a charge of abetting terrorism or the like. They couldn't come up with anything. In the end they charged him with unlawful gun possession, but that charge was specious enough that it thrown out by a judge before even going to trial. In the meantime the man lost his job and his home. This wasn't the normal functioning of law enforcement. This was abuse of law enforcement to punish politically disfavored speech (which speech, I repeat, the law-enforcement agency in question conceded was non-threatening).

rexpop 8y ago

ICE deportations.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
You missed the "charged with no crime" part. (Yes, you can pick a nit about whether that's really a "crime", and you can argue about whether it should be. It's still illegal, under the existing law, for those people to be here.)
- lr4444lr 8y ago
  (And the "citizens" part).

PrimHelios 8y ago

America has the Patriot act. It isn't used to detain many people, but the government definitely has the ability to do it if they want.