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The public school system is absolutely not a re-education camp, you loon.

by eastWestMath 8y ago

danharaj 8y ago
You're right, it's a child's first and main source of inculturation. No re- about it.
- mattnewton 8y ago
  Read the article. Let me know where in western public schools they ask people to denounce their family on threat of starvation.
  - danharaj 8y ago
    It's possible to indoctrinate without violence, you know that. It's possible for educational institutions to be ideologically motivated and coercive without starving their subjects. In fact, perhaps the it's the case that the more effective such institutions are the less violent they have to be. Thankfully, enlightened western nations like Canada have not been so cruel since the distant, distant year of 1996 [0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_...
- mc32 8y ago
  China has these schools too, so it seems even if they’re equivalent to the west, they are not effective enough at indoctrination, so more remedial indoctrinstion is needed... But honestly, do you think ours and their systems are equivalently indoctrinational?
  - danharaj 8y ago
    It depends on who you are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_...
    - Lionsion 8y ago
      > It depends on who you are Correction: it depended on who you are. Those schools have been closed and have been repudiated at the highest levels of the Canadian government: > On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.
      - ficklepickle 8y ago
        And yet the resulting intergenerational trauma lives on. The echoes of these abuses continue long after the abuse itself ends. Lots of similarities, actually. Both systems were designed to destroy a culture seen as backwards by the powers that be.
        Lionsion 8y ago
        > Lots of similarities, actually. Both systems were designed to destroy a culture seen as backwards by the powers that be. Yeah, except one occurred in the past and is now condemned; the other is a present, newly-created reality.
        danharaj 8y ago
        The last school was closed in the far distant year of 1996. Do you really think Canada in 2018 is that far removed from 1996? What exactly happened in that intervening period that will prevent such an atrocity in the future?
        Lionsion 8y ago
megaman22 8y ago
No, it's a warehousing system to keep children watched and fed while their parents work.
- vuln 8y ago
  I agree and I find it interesting that teachers are wanting more money for less work... My 8 year old son who is in the third grade has spent all year 'studying' for the SOL (Standards of Learning) test. All day everyday for the last year nothing but SOL 'prep'. He sits on a Chromebook all day. All of his work is done on a Chromebook, his teacher doesn't even have to grade the assignments it's automatically done by the application. The teacher doesn't even come up with the lesson plan, it's all pushed by the school system. No deviation. The only reason he has to 'attend' school is because his mother and I work full time. I've considered working remote and just homeschooling my son but I worry about him missing out on the social aspect of school. but that's a double edge sword also. One last kicker. I never signed anything that would allow my son to use a chromebook or consent to google data mining my son who is under the age of 13. But alas I am sure google has a whole profile built around him and his classmates...
  - aoeusnth1 8y ago
    I think we both agree that American public education isn’t in a good state of affairs - but through personal experience I know just how much work it is to do a proper job at teaching. It’s at least 70 hours a week of work just to tread water. So yes, teachers are underpaid and overworked, and I believe that’s partially causing our system to be so mediocre - it’s hard to hire talented teachers who have time and energy to do a good job when the job is so exhausting and financially unrewarding.
fsloth 8y ago
No, it was deviced as a system after child labour became illegal to keep jobless children out of the streets practicing delinquency. This is the uncharitable, slightly tongue in cheek interpretation of events.

The public school system is absolutely not a re-education camp, you loon.

danharaj 8y ago

You're right, it's a child's first and main source of inculturation. No re- about it.

mattnewton 8y ago
Read the article. Let me know where in western public schools they ask people to denounce their family on threat of starvation.
- danharaj 8y ago
  It's possible to indoctrinate without violence, you know that. It's possible for educational institutions to be ideologically motivated and coercive without starving their subjects. In fact, perhaps the it's the case that the more effective such institutions are the less violent they have to be. Thankfully, enlightened western nations like Canada have not been so cruel since the distant, distant year of 1996 [0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_...
mc32 8y ago
China has these schools too, so it seems even if they’re equivalent to the west, they are not effective enough at indoctrination, so more remedial indoctrinstion is needed... But honestly, do you think ours and their systems are equivalently indoctrinational?
- danharaj 8y ago
  It depends on who you are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_...
  - Lionsion 8y ago
    > It depends on who you are Correction: it depended on who you are. Those schools have been closed and have been repudiated at the highest levels of the Canadian government: > On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued a formal apology, on behalf of the sitting Cabinet, in front of an audience of Indigenous delegates, and in an address that was broadcast nationally on the CBC, for the past governments' policies of assimilation.[78][79] The Prime Minister apologized not only for the known excesses of the residential school system, but for the creation of the system itself. Harper delivered the speech in the House of Commons; the procedural device of a Committee of the Whole was used, so that Indigenous leaders, who were not Members of Parliament, could be allowed to respond to the apology on the floor of the House.
    - ficklepickle 8y ago
      And yet the resulting intergenerational trauma lives on. The echoes of these abuses continue long after the abuse itself ends. Lots of similarities, actually. Both systems were designed to destroy a culture seen as backwards by the powers that be.
      - Lionsion 8y ago
        > Lots of similarities, actually. Both systems were designed to destroy a culture seen as backwards by the powers that be. Yeah, except one occurred in the past and is now condemned; the other is a present, newly-created reality.
        danharaj 8y ago
        The last school was closed in the far distant year of 1996. Do you really think Canada in 2018 is that far removed from 1996? What exactly happened in that intervening period that will prevent such an atrocity in the future?
        Lionsion 8y ago

megaman22 8y ago

No, it's a warehousing system to keep children watched and fed while their parents work.

vuln 8y ago
I agree and I find it interesting that teachers are wanting more money for less work... My 8 year old son who is in the third grade has spent all year 'studying' for the SOL (Standards of Learning) test. All day everyday for the last year nothing but SOL 'prep'. He sits on a Chromebook all day. All of his work is done on a Chromebook, his teacher doesn't even have to grade the assignments it's automatically done by the application. The teacher doesn't even come up with the lesson plan, it's all pushed by the school system. No deviation. The only reason he has to 'attend' school is because his mother and I work full time. I've considered working remote and just homeschooling my son but I worry about him missing out on the social aspect of school. but that's a double edge sword also. One last kicker. I never signed anything that would allow my son to use a chromebook or consent to google data mining my son who is under the age of 13. But alas I am sure google has a whole profile built around him and his classmates...
- aoeusnth1 8y ago
  I think we both agree that American public education isn’t in a good state of affairs - but through personal experience I know just how much work it is to do a proper job at teaching. It’s at least 70 hours a week of work just to tread water. So yes, teachers are underpaid and overworked, and I believe that’s partially causing our system to be so mediocre - it’s hard to hire talented teachers who have time and energy to do a good job when the job is so exhausting and financially unrewarding.

fsloth 8y ago

No, it was deviced as a system after child labour became illegal to keep jobless children out of the streets practicing delinquency. This is the uncharitable, slightly tongue in cheek interpretation of events.