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Yup they really need to be feeding their population the Kardashians, WWE, Alex Jones, super hero movies and space operas the whole day.

linkmotif 8y ago
They do that, too.
techterrier 8y ago
#savetheexpanse
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simonh 8y ago
I'm sorry the actual choices free people make seem to disappoint you so much. What do you think should be done about it?
- teekert 8y ago
  "Free people" as in, attention high-jacked, rent paying, sugar'd up, Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires represented by purchasable politicians? What is freedom today anyway? We don't work for a company anymore, we work for share holders. We don't pay eachother for housing anymore, we pay banks. We don't choose what we eat anymore, we are seduced. We don't spend our time anymore, companies sell our time and attention for us. At the very least freedom should come with "being well informed", however we are informed by commercials nowadays. Is this freedom?
  - fwn 8y ago
    Deconstructing freedom might be a fun exercise, it is, however, completely unrelated if it comes to criticising dystopian state oppression. (Which the linked article is about.) Torture & forced reeducation camps are wrong regardless of some other wrongness somewhere else.
    - teekert 8y ago
      This I agree with. I'm just saying that the free choices of people in the western world are probably not as free as they could be. Is utopia a more regulated place? This feels like a dirty proposition to my capitalist (minus the tumors it has been growing lately) mind. But the seeds of doubt have been placed...
      - simonh 8y ago
        Fair enough, but what’s stopping you from doing something about it? I mean except for other individual free citizens generally not happening to agree with you.
        teekert 8y ago
        To be honest I just like posting hard statements that I think are logical conclusions but would like to see proven false with even better arguments :)
        simonh 8y ago
        The thing is, it’s coming across as implicit support for an oppressive totalitarian regime.
  - simonh 8y ago
    So when exactly were the olden days you’re hardening back to that were so much better?
abiox 8y ago
i don't entirely disagree with some aspects of such a cultural critique, but i don't think such things are all that differentiating. you really don't believe that there isn't some moral equivalent of say, the kardashians in china?
jumpman500 8y ago
Are you implying that government funds that media? Or that people need to be told what they should enjoy?

linkmotif 8y ago

They do that, too.

techterrier 8y ago

#savetheexpanse

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simonh 8y ago

I'm sorry the actual choices free people make seem to disappoint you so much. What do you think should be done about it?

teekert 8y ago
"Free people" as in, attention high-jacked, rent paying, sugar'd up, Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires represented by purchasable politicians? What is freedom today anyway? We don't work for a company anymore, we work for share holders. We don't pay eachother for housing anymore, we pay banks. We don't choose what we eat anymore, we are seduced. We don't spend our time anymore, companies sell our time and attention for us. At the very least freedom should come with "being well informed", however we are informed by commercials nowadays. Is this freedom?
- fwn 8y ago
  Deconstructing freedom might be a fun exercise, it is, however, completely unrelated if it comes to criticising dystopian state oppression. (Which the linked article is about.) Torture & forced reeducation camps are wrong regardless of some other wrongness somewhere else.
  - teekert 8y ago
    This I agree with. I'm just saying that the free choices of people in the western world are probably not as free as they could be. Is utopia a more regulated place? This feels like a dirty proposition to my capitalist (minus the tumors it has been growing lately) mind. But the seeds of doubt have been placed...
    - simonh 8y ago
      Fair enough, but what’s stopping you from doing something about it? I mean except for other individual free citizens generally not happening to agree with you.
      - teekert 8y ago
        To be honest I just like posting hard statements that I think are logical conclusions but would like to see proven false with even better arguments :)
        simonh 8y ago
        The thing is, it’s coming across as implicit support for an oppressive totalitarian regime.
- simonh 8y ago
  So when exactly were the olden days you’re hardening back to that were so much better?

abiox 8y ago

i don't entirely disagree with some aspects of such a cultural critique, but i don't think such things are all that differentiating. you really don't believe that there isn't some moral equivalent of say, the kardashians in china?

jumpman500 8y ago

Are you implying that government funds that media? Or that people need to be told what they should enjoy?