> How can you talk about these things with such a high degree of certainty? Because "in hopes that they can integrate with us" is just silly. Of course, I adm

> How can you talk about these things with such a high degree of certainty? Because "in hopes that they can integrate with us" is just silly. Of course, I admit that I take for granted that I don't have to justify a believe in evolution. If you entertain the possibility it was a deliberate human act it would have required an effort like the Fox breeding experiment in Russia. They would have had to go out and catch wild wolves and breed them for generations - that seems extremely far-fetched. Much more likely that there already were wolves that had gotten used to humans, which means they had already changed. Which is what I said: > even if some of them may have thought about it, but by then it was already happening It sure is likely that humans at some point thought it useful, but the domestication started not because anybody in particular wanted it to happen. By the way, I think horse domestication is (was) probably different. It's easy to see how wolves benefit from leftovers found near humans, but horses just need grass. Horses also still don't depend on humans nearly as much as dogs do.