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I want to point out, just for the record, why I think you are being downvoted, so that you aren't discouraged and others learn from it. Not to shame or to point
by titzer 9y ago
I want to point out, just for the record, why I think you are being downvoted, so that you aren't discouraged and others learn from it. Not to shame or to point fingers. A well functioning community doesn't point fingers or shout down.
It's also OK to ask questions, in some vein to what you do here, but your comment is accusatory and poorly informed. You are simply assuming everyone is wrong, based merely on superficial, self-described "kid logic". Sometimes people are wrong, so that's OK to question, but in this, you've taken it a bit far. There is a lot of well-established science on the effect of CFCs on the Ozone layer. It's pretty much cut-and-dried--much better established, even, than smoking causes cancer. Other posters have replied with actual facts, but I just wanted to post a note that would maybe contextualize the shock of getting a highly negative rated comment and maybe help make it clear to onlookers why we prefer informed discussion here.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago>There is a lot of well-established science on the effect of CFCs on the Ozone layer Yes, and at one time doctors and scientists _all_ agreed smoking was ok for you. And even doctors recommended it for some conditions. I don't have a problem with getting negative votes, but I have started off discussions with a simple question "why is this a certain way?" and got down voted anyways, and the discussions dragged out. This time, I figured I'd put all my logic in one lump, instead of spreading it out in the discussion. Just been reading about Feynman recently, and how many times he was shouted down, accused, etc, just for asking questions about "well established" science.
- Luc 9y agoFeeling you have a lot in common with this Feynman guy? Maybe this will speak to you then: 'The first principle is that you must not fool yourself', etc: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm
- varjag 9y agoBit of a hubris comparing oneself with Feynman. And to challenge the established science you have to learn it first, no way around it.
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- RobertRoberts 9y agoI made statements that most claim are ignorant, which I will abide by, and mentioned that Feynman said to ask questions. Maybe you people are the ones Feynman was criticising? He certainly wasn't hard on ignorant people looking for answers, he was hard on smart arrogant people who thought they couldn't be wrong.
- varjag 9y agoFeynman had firm grasp on all aspects of physics, some of which he ended up rewriting. He wasn't just some edgy ignoramus with authority issues.
- pc86 9y agoThe problem is that you are holding in one hand currently accepted mainstream scientific thought, and in the other, your "kid logic," and treating them equally. If you want to learn more you need to learn more - which is to say that it's fine to question the current scientific literature but you better be reading the current scientific literature and not basing it on a grade school Earth Science experiment you saw when you were 7 years old. I know very little about this realm of science, but I know enough to trust the accepted mainstream. Feynman was shouted down at times but he was an Ivy League educated Nobel laureate physicist discussing physics. That's probably not an appropriate comparison for your HN comment.
- RobertRoberts 9y agoAre you suggesting that you must be equals with Feynman before you can apply what he taught?
- pc86 9y agoI'm suggesting perhaps a little less hubris and a little more actually replying to my relevant points might serve you better in life.