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You seem to be trying to refute models of complicated atmospheric processes based on (necessarily) over-simplified high school physics. I’m sure there much mor

by amirmc 8y ago

You seem to be trying to refute models of complicated atmospheric processes based on (necessarily) over-simplified high school physics. I’m sure there much more reading material out there than just the two Wikipedia pages you linked. Try the following for some more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

mhneu 8y ago
As you provide links remember that a prominent argument used by climate-change-deniers is this heavier than air fake argument. https://www.ourcivilisation.com/ozone/king.htm https://www.ourcivilisation.com/ozone/king.htm Some history here https://books.google.com/books?id=Va-BAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=how+do+cfcs.rise+heavier+than+air&source=bl&ots=LCI-dyFQpi&sig=aPjazbf_M9JYXi2PKJwivX8BQAk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp-Ze43YzbAhUGwlkKHTiODBg4ChDoATAHegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=how%20do%20cfcs.rise%20heavier%20than%20air&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Va-BAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=P... But this form of the denial disinformation is pretty old and perhaps surprising it’s being discussed today. Ed: but aha, it looks like the Christian Coalition site has been sowing CFC doubt much more recently: http://www.cc.org/blog/suspected_ozone_loss_may_never_have_involved_cfc’s http://www.cc.org/blog/suspected_ozone_loss_may_never_have_i...
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  As I mentioned before, I've haven't read any of their stuff. All of my questions are 30 years old, and only thought to ask this here because I didn't even know there was any controversy on this subject. But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon if someone else disagrees with the establishment and if you even ask the same questions is automatically guilt by association.
  - mdpopescu 8y ago
    > But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon if someone else disagrees with the establishment Yes. Challenging accepted knowledge on HN is a quick way of getting downvoted to oblivion and, in some cases, shadowbanned. (I've seen a couple of examples of the latter.)
  - amirmc 8y ago
    > But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon... I did not consider the questions to be particularly ‘logical’ at all. Naive, perhaps, but not logical. There’s presumably 30 years of knowledge you could look up to formulate better questions.

by amirmc 8y ago

mhneu 8y ago

As you provide links remember that a prominent argument used by climate-change-deniers is this heavier than air fake argument. https://www.ourcivilisation.com/ozone/king.htm https://www.ourcivilisation.com/ozone/king.htm Some history here https://books.google.com/books?id=Va-BAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=how+do+cfcs.rise+heavier+than+air&source=bl&ots=LCI-dyFQpi&sig=aPjazbf_M9JYXi2PKJwivX8BQAk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp-Ze43YzbAhUGwlkKHTiODBg4ChDoATAHegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=how%20do%20cfcs.rise%20heavier%20than%20air&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Va-BAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=P... But this form of the denial disinformation is pretty old and perhaps surprising it’s being discussed today. Ed: but aha, it looks like the Christian Coalition site has been sowing CFC doubt much more recently: http://www.cc.org/blog/suspected_ozone_loss_may_never_have_involved_cfc’s http://www.cc.org/blog/suspected_ozone_loss_may_never_have_i...

RobertRoberts 8y ago
As I mentioned before, I've haven't read any of their stuff. All of my questions are 30 years old, and only thought to ask this here because I didn't even know there was any controversy on this subject. But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon if someone else disagrees with the establishment and if you even ask the same questions is automatically guilt by association.
- mdpopescu 8y ago
  > But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon if someone else disagrees with the establishment Yes. Challenging accepted knowledge on HN is a quick way of getting downvoted to oblivion and, in some cases, shadowbanned. (I've seen a couple of examples of the latter.)
- amirmc 8y ago
  > But I guess asking logical questions is frowned upon... I did not consider the questions to be particularly ‘logical’ at all. Naive, perhaps, but not logical. There’s presumably 30 years of knowledge you could look up to formulate better questions.