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WSL File System Support (2016)

66 points by childintime 8y ago

rollulus 8y ago
(2016)
- ericfrederich 8y ago
  Yeah, I was just going to say I think I remember watching this one.
moomin 8y ago
A very long and involved explanation of why when Notepad saves a file in your WSL directory, bash can’t see it.
ddtaylor 8y ago
Cygwin is kind of similar with it's limitations, except it's a bit more complicated. The files will show up but there is some "magic" happening to map the permissions and ownership between them.
- deleted 8y ago
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- agsamek 8y ago
  Add noacl to /etc/fstab and you will be happy everafter ;)
sp332 8y ago
There are some improvements listed here https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/18/file-system-improvements-to-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/18/file-system-... and I'm sure the April 2018 update (build 1803) changed this further, but the blog stopped updating last year. Edit: USB drives are now supported https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/10/bashwsl-insiders-build-now-supports-usbserial-comms-and-mounting-removable-storage-network-shares/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/10/bash... You can make special files now, and Windows Explorer understands WSL permissions https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/01/12/chmod-chown-wsl-improvements/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/01/12/chmo... Per-directory case sensitivity https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/28/per-directory-case-sensitivity-and-wsl/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/28/per-... What's new in 1803 https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/07/windows10v1803/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/07/wind...
- nailer 8y ago
  It might be good for dang to please replace the link with at least the 2017 one.
frou_dh 8y ago
Worthwhile as the various Unix-in-Windows efforts are, I still haven't particularly enjoyed the day-to-day experience of using any of them. It's been death by a thousand cuts that accumulate.
- nnq 8y ago
  Agree. The user experience of just running stock Ubuntu is so much better than Window 10 + WSL... Just reboot to Win when needing to do some gaming, graphics/video editing or excell voodoo and that's it. Same as with Emacs and VIM, don't get the people using Emacs with Viper. I just use Emacs with default shortcuts for Org-mode, then VIM as usual. Hybrid experiences always suck, and rebooting, changing apps, or changing the computer you use helps you focus on doing one thing at a time anyway!
- wvenable 8y ago
  Unlike the other poster below, I completely replaced my Ubuntu VM with WSL. The first version was a little rough but since then I haven't had any compatibility problems -- I can run all my exotic command line tools and even a few X apps (including QEMU emulators for embedded work).
- tjoff 8y ago
  I replaced putty on day one, it is part of my workflow ever since and I use it more and more each day. WSL is probably the most used "application" on my workstation. What do you find it is lacking?
TimTheTinker 8y ago
It still feels surreal to read these kinds of blog posts from Microsoft, after they refused to recognize Linux’s existence/importance for so long, called it a “cancer”, etc... I don’t have words to describe what a different world it is. EDIT: I know to some this kind of sentiment might seem cliché (is that where the downvotes came from?) but at least for years to come I’ll be repeating it. Life was very hard for Microsoft dissenters 15 years ago. (I’m only 35, and I’m already going on about “back in my day” :) Now get off my lawn.) I heartily welcome the change.
- 2trill2spill 8y ago
  I for one love it. It's nice seeing Microsoft contributing to Linux and FreeBSD and other open source projects as well as open sourcing some of their own projects. Also their share price is way up since Satya took over as CEO. So maybe these changes will be around for awhile seeing as Microsoft shareholders are happy.
  - pknopf 8y ago
    Queue the "but Microsoft really has a sinister plan, don't trust em" comments...
    - TimTheTinker 8y ago
      I really believe the sickness in Redmond has passed. For at least 5 years they have been acting as if they’re part of a larger world, not like they are the world. It was hard to believe at first, but I think the new Microsoft is here to stay (hopefully for a long, long time).
      - beagle3 8y ago
        I'm still skeptical. Yes, they have been behaving better since they've been beaten into submission. But, at least as of 4 years ago, they are still charging a tax on Android phones[0]; Their "secure boot" shenanigans still require community workarounds on amd64 (and locking down their ARM stuff) to the point that on many consumer machines, you have to get microsoft's blessing to run an OS of your choice (and you have that blessing ... for now). Windows 10 takes away user control of the user's own machines, and it was less than 3 years ago that they used the worst dark UI patterns to get people to move to 10 (... and, hid telemetry among the security updates for Win7/Win8.1 holdouts). So, despite being beaten into submission, and thus not behaving like "they are the world", it feels to me like the mean old Microsoft is still just beneath the surface waiting to get out again. [0] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/how_much_is_that_microsoft_android_tax_again/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/how_much_is_that_mi...

66 points by childintime 8y ago

rollulus 8y ago

(2016)

ericfrederich 8y ago
Yeah, I was just going to say I think I remember watching this one.

moomin 8y ago

A very long and involved explanation of why when Notepad saves a file in your WSL directory, bash can’t see it.

ddtaylor 8y ago

Cygwin is kind of similar with it's limitations, except it's a bit more complicated. The files will show up but there is some "magic" happening to map the permissions and ownership between them.

deleted 8y ago
[deleted]
agsamek 8y ago
Add noacl to /etc/fstab and you will be happy everafter ;)

sp332 8y ago

There are some improvements listed here https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/18/file-system-improvements-to-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/18/file-system-... and I'm sure the April 2018 update (build 1803) changed this further, but the blog stopped updating last year. Edit: USB drives are now supported https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/10/bashwsl-insiders-build-now-supports-usbserial-comms-and-mounting-removable-storage-network-shares/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/10/bash... You can make special files now, and Windows Explorer understands WSL permissions https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/01/12/chmod-chown-wsl-improvements/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/01/12/chmo... Per-directory case sensitivity https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/28/per-directory-case-sensitivity-and-wsl/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/28/per-... What's new in 1803 https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/07/windows10v1803/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/07/wind...

nailer 8y ago
It might be good for dang to please replace the link with at least the 2017 one.

frou_dh 8y ago

Worthwhile as the various Unix-in-Windows efforts are, I still haven't particularly enjoyed the day-to-day experience of using any of them. It's been death by a thousand cuts that accumulate.

nnq 8y ago
Agree. The user experience of just running stock Ubuntu is so much better than Window 10 + WSL... Just reboot to Win when needing to do some gaming, graphics/video editing or excell voodoo and that's it. Same as with Emacs and VIM, don't get the people using Emacs with Viper. I just use Emacs with default shortcuts for Org-mode, then VIM as usual. Hybrid experiences always suck, and rebooting, changing apps, or changing the computer you use helps you focus on doing one thing at a time anyway!
wvenable 8y ago
Unlike the other poster below, I completely replaced my Ubuntu VM with WSL. The first version was a little rough but since then I haven't had any compatibility problems -- I can run all my exotic command line tools and even a few X apps (including QEMU emulators for embedded work).
tjoff 8y ago
I replaced putty on day one, it is part of my workflow ever since and I use it more and more each day. WSL is probably the most used "application" on my workstation. What do you find it is lacking?

TimTheTinker 8y ago

It still feels surreal to read these kinds of blog posts from Microsoft, after they refused to recognize Linux’s existence/importance for so long, called it a “cancer”, etc... I don’t have words to describe what a different world it is. EDIT: I know to some this kind of sentiment might seem cliché (is that where the downvotes came from?) but at least for years to come I’ll be repeating it. Life was very hard for Microsoft dissenters 15 years ago. (I’m only 35, and I’m already going on about “back in my day” :) Now get off my lawn.) I heartily welcome the change.

2trill2spill 8y ago
I for one love it. It's nice seeing Microsoft contributing to Linux and FreeBSD and other open source projects as well as open sourcing some of their own projects. Also their share price is way up since Satya took over as CEO. So maybe these changes will be around for awhile seeing as Microsoft shareholders are happy.
- pknopf 8y ago
  Queue the "but Microsoft really has a sinister plan, don't trust em" comments...
  - TimTheTinker 8y ago
    I really believe the sickness in Redmond has passed. For at least 5 years they have been acting as if they’re part of a larger world, not like they are the world. It was hard to believe at first, but I think the new Microsoft is here to stay (hopefully for a long, long time).
    - beagle3 8y ago
      I'm still skeptical. Yes, they have been behaving better since they've been beaten into submission. But, at least as of 4 years ago, they are still charging a tax on Android phones[0]; Their "secure boot" shenanigans still require community workarounds on amd64 (and locking down their ARM stuff) to the point that on many consumer machines, you have to get microsoft's blessing to run an OS of your choice (and you have that blessing ... for now). Windows 10 takes away user control of the user's own machines, and it was less than 3 years ago that they used the worst dark UI patterns to get people to move to 10 (... and, hid telemetry among the security updates for Win7/Win8.1 holdouts). So, despite being beaten into submission, and thus not behaving like "they are the world", it feels to me like the mean old Microsoft is still just beneath the surface waiting to get out again. [0] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/how_much_is_that_microsoft_android_tax_again/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/how_much_is_that_mi...