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I wish people would stop the unhealthy and irresponsible and dangerous life-destroying hype and promotion of psychedelics including cannabis. All medical exper

by gepi79 8y ago

I wish people would stop the unhealthy and irresponsible and dangerous life-destroying hype and promotion of psychedelics including cannabis. All medical experts warn against the use of drugs and psychedelics except as medical tools of medical experts. Drugs and psychedelics can trigger all kinds of long term mental disorders that even the best experts might not be able to heal. Medical science and psychology are still very limited and primitive with regard to addictions and mental disorders and understanding and (healthy) manipulation of the (unhealthy) brain. If "you" do not believe me, check the internet for reports of people suffering from addiction or mental disorders and their sad quest for help. Even bad diets and lack of sports and lack of dental care are unsolved health problems in societies in 2018.

bfuller 8y ago
Psychedelics should be a last resort, as you can trigger underlying conditions, I agree. But microdosing LSD has saved lives pulling people out of suicidal depression. There's a reason its highly regarded, because for those of us that benefit, its literally a miracle.
- gepi79 8y ago
  Yes. Too many articles and drug users promote psychedelics as harmless safe easy miracle drugs (for mental problems). Readers might ignore that positive studies were conducted by medical experts. AFAIK all experts warn against the private use of drugs and psychedelics.
lobster_johnson 8y ago
It's pretty clear from your comment that you don't know anything about magic mushrooms. I could understand your response if the parent were speaking about LSD or bath salts or something else that have been known to give people bad, destructive trips. But shrooms? Psilocybin is known as the gentlest and most enjoyable psychedelic there is. Adverse reactions are rare, and as far as I know nobody has ever come out of a shroom trip with their brains scrambled. Personally, I find that the experience isn't so much a "trip", but rather a gentle, beautiful and interesting set of visual effects. I don't hallucinate people or supernatural beings, but I do see colours around the edges of things, and repeating fractal patterns everywhere, and enjoy a strangely improved acuity of vision. Shrooms are also a type of drug where you can derive a psychological benefit from very small doses (or microdoses) that essentially provides no "trip" at all. There's promising research showing benefits for depression and PTSD. Not to mention that psilocybin is not addictive.
- gepi79 8y ago
  Psilocybin is known as the gentlest and most enjoyable psychedelic there is. This is not true. Different people respond differently to different drugs. The experience also depends on the dose and the set and setting. Not all people are fine with hallucinations and psychedelic trips. Not all people are happy with a perfect set and setting. To promote psychedelics as possible solution for mental disorders (anxiety, depression,...) is absolutely irresponsible and even warned against by psychonauts. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Set_and_setting https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Set_and_setting Besides, psilocybin is not addictive for most because it is not fun enough for most. But the risk of bad trips and long term disorders is real. https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personalit... : - But this is a strictly do-not-try-this-at-home experiment, MacLean cautioned. The participants in the study were under close supervision during their session with the drug. Psychological support and preparation helped keep bad trips to a minimum, but many participants still reported fear, anxiety and distress after taking psilocybin. - MacLean said, ... that the risk of unsupervised usage outweighs any potential reward. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-doctors-treat-mental-illness-with-psychedelic-drugs-w470673 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-doctors-tr... : - "This is serious medicine with a capital M," he says, "and if you don't watch yourself and you don't pay attention to the essential basics, you could be in for a very difficult time." - "If we move forward and understand that these substances should only be used under optimal conditions," says Grob, "it will have a positive impact on an individual, family, collective and societal level."
  - atombender 8y ago
    Your livescience.com link basically argues the opposite, but you cherrypicked one person's cautionary, own-ass-covering advice to make a contrary argument. The article itself points out that people overwhelmingly come out of he experience with positive personality changes! Also, nobody is arguing that irresponsible use of psilocybin here. The person you quoted is saying that unsupervised psilocybin use is potentially dangerous. You should be careful if you have a history of anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia or similar disorders. And it's always a good idea to do shrooms together with other, stable, experienced people. This is a better source of information: https://tripsafe.org/shrooms-side-effects/ https://tripsafe.org/shrooms-side-effects/ The fact that you brought up cannabis, of all things, the world's most popular recreational drug (after alcohol and tobacco), tells me that you are not quite informed.
gepi79 8y ago
P.S. Positive thinking or a therapy or the right medicine can improve much and might heal or remove a psychological or bio-chemical disorder. Still, psychedelics should not be used privately for fun or to solve problems.
ramblerman 8y ago
You are terrible uninformed, like an abstinent catholic priest trying to preach about the joys and difficulties of family. Throwing all drugs in one pile (marijuana and mushrooms?) because they are categorized that way by the law is like saying medicine to conottate anything from an aspirin to chemo.
- gepi79 8y ago
  IMO: - The government should sell all desired drugs for little or no money. - Drugs have no good use except as medicine by medical experts. Maybe you should apply as test subject for studies of the effects of drugs on humans. https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari... Maybe 10 or 20 years of experience with legalized cannabis and other psychedelics will lead to punishment of online promotion or belittlement of these drugs. https://herb.co/marijuana/news/cannabis-induced-panic-attacks https://herb.co/marijuana/news/cannabis-induced-panic-attack... How many cases are unknown because the victim did not consult the medical service ? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/307249.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/307249.php How many cases of brain damage (e.g. stupidity, bad control of emotions) are not even recognized by the victims ? Besides, not only the drug but also the dose and intention matters.
tgamba 8y ago
This comment is naive, but not totally off-base. Psychedelics can cause real long-term problems for people even if used correctly. I liken it to skydiving, a potentially dangerous activity for which one must be completely prepared, with no absolute guarantee of safety. That said, I would say that psychedelics definitely expanded my consciousness and changed my life. And that I stopped doing them in the nick of time. They do cause a turn inward, and what I learned is that turning inward can be an endless journey into the void. What I really wanted was to take my expanded consciousness and use it in the consensus world, and for that, I felt, you needed a clear head.

by gepi79 8y ago

bfuller 8y ago

Psychedelics should be a last resort, as you can trigger underlying conditions, I agree. But microdosing LSD has saved lives pulling people out of suicidal depression. There's a reason its highly regarded, because for those of us that benefit, its literally a miracle.

gepi79 8y ago
Yes. Too many articles and drug users promote psychedelics as harmless safe easy miracle drugs (for mental problems). Readers might ignore that positive studies were conducted by medical experts. AFAIK all experts warn against the private use of drugs and psychedelics.

lobster_johnson 8y ago

It's pretty clear from your comment that you don't know anything about magic mushrooms. I could understand your response if the parent were speaking about LSD or bath salts or something else that have been known to give people bad, destructive trips. But shrooms? Psilocybin is known as the gentlest and most enjoyable psychedelic there is. Adverse reactions are rare, and as far as I know nobody has ever come out of a shroom trip with their brains scrambled. Personally, I find that the experience isn't so much a "trip", but rather a gentle, beautiful and interesting set of visual effects. I don't hallucinate people or supernatural beings, but I do see colours around the edges of things, and repeating fractal patterns everywhere, and enjoy a strangely improved acuity of vision. Shrooms are also a type of drug where you can derive a psychological benefit from very small doses (or microdoses) that essentially provides no "trip" at all. There's promising research showing benefits for depression and PTSD. Not to mention that psilocybin is not addictive.

gepi79 8y ago
Psilocybin is known as the gentlest and most enjoyable psychedelic there is. This is not true. Different people respond differently to different drugs. The experience also depends on the dose and the set and setting. Not all people are fine with hallucinations and psychedelic trips. Not all people are happy with a perfect set and setting. To promote psychedelics as possible solution for mental disorders (anxiety, depression,...) is absolutely irresponsible and even warned against by psychonauts. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Set_and_setting https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Set_and_setting Besides, psilocybin is not addictive for most because it is not fun enough for most. But the risk of bad trips and long term disorders is real. https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personalit... : - But this is a strictly do-not-try-this-at-home experiment, MacLean cautioned. The participants in the study were under close supervision during their session with the drug. Psychological support and preparation helped keep bad trips to a minimum, but many participants still reported fear, anxiety and distress after taking psilocybin. - MacLean said, ... that the risk of unsupervised usage outweighs any potential reward. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-doctors-treat-mental-illness-with-psychedelic-drugs-w470673 https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-doctors-tr... : - "This is serious medicine with a capital M," he says, "and if you don't watch yourself and you don't pay attention to the essential basics, you could be in for a very difficult time." - "If we move forward and understand that these substances should only be used under optimal conditions," says Grob, "it will have a positive impact on an individual, family, collective and societal level."
- atombender 8y ago
  Your livescience.com link basically argues the opposite, but you cherrypicked one person's cautionary, own-ass-covering advice to make a contrary argument. The article itself points out that people overwhelmingly come out of he experience with positive personality changes! Also, nobody is arguing that irresponsible use of psilocybin here. The person you quoted is saying that unsupervised psilocybin use is potentially dangerous. You should be careful if you have a history of anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia or similar disorders. And it's always a good idea to do shrooms together with other, stable, experienced people. This is a better source of information: https://tripsafe.org/shrooms-side-effects/ https://tripsafe.org/shrooms-side-effects/ The fact that you brought up cannabis, of all things, the world's most popular recreational drug (after alcohol and tobacco), tells me that you are not quite informed.

gepi79 8y ago

P.S. Positive thinking or a therapy or the right medicine can improve much and might heal or remove a psychological or bio-chemical disorder. Still, psychedelics should not be used privately for fun or to solve problems.

ramblerman 8y ago

You are terrible uninformed, like an abstinent catholic priest trying to preach about the joys and difficulties of family. Throwing all drugs in one pile (marijuana and mushrooms?) because they are categorized that way by the law is like saying medicine to conottate anything from an aspirin to chemo.

gepi79 8y ago
IMO: - The government should sell all desired drugs for little or no money. - Drugs have no good use except as medicine by medical experts. Maybe you should apply as test subject for studies of the effects of drugs on humans. https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari... Maybe 10 or 20 years of experience with legalized cannabis and other psychedelics will lead to punishment of online promotion or belittlement of these drugs. https://herb.co/marijuana/news/cannabis-induced-panic-attacks https://herb.co/marijuana/news/cannabis-induced-panic-attack... How many cases are unknown because the victim did not consult the medical service ? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/307249.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/307249.php How many cases of brain damage (e.g. stupidity, bad control of emotions) are not even recognized by the victims ? Besides, not only the drug but also the dose and intention matters.

tgamba 8y ago

This comment is naive, but not totally off-base. Psychedelics can cause real long-term problems for people even if used correctly. I liken it to skydiving, a potentially dangerous activity for which one must be completely prepared, with no absolute guarantee of safety. That said, I would say that psychedelics definitely expanded my consciousness and changed my life. And that I stopped doing them in the nick of time. They do cause a turn inward, and what I learned is that turning inward can be an endless journey into the void. What I really wanted was to take my expanded consciousness and use it in the consensus world, and for that, I felt, you needed a clear head.