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> I thought it was commonly accepted that operating the Port of Oakland has health impacts on the surrounding communities. Clearly that's not related to the qu

> I thought it was commonly accepted that operating the Port of Oakland has health impacts on the surrounding communities. Clearly that's not related to the question at hand here - the question is will allowing coal shipments cause more health risk than shipping anything else from the port. The port of Oakland is important enough to the state and national economy that it will pretty much be at or near full capacity at all times, so coal would mostly displace other shipments, making your edit-linked article moot (oh, and it would mostly be rail anyway). Ports are a necessary fact of a global economy, and the fact is they tenhave historically had large cities develop around them due to the jobs and opportunities they created. It sounds like you'd prefer that the port get completely shut down. That's an opinion, but it's unrelated to this case - and unlikley to get anywhere. You'd be much better off moving away from the port and teh city that grew up around it.

cryptoz 8y ago
Interesting points, thanks. > Clearly that's not related to the question at hand here That's not clear at all, actually the opposite is clear. Health impacts of local people were discussed directly in the article. It's clearly a major issue that is directly "related to the question at hand." > It sounds like you'd prefer that the port get completely shut down. I absolutely would not prefer that! That's insane. Please don't put such ridiculous and insane things down as something I said. No way. The Port of Oakland should obviously grow in size as necessary to fit the economy. The Port of Oakland is obviously extremely important. So is recognizing the facts of health impacts of locals and not dismissing it as irrelevant. > You'd be much better off moving away from the port and teh city that grew up around it. I don't live anywhere near there. But I think you'd find that the people who live by the Port of Oakland are not there by choice, and have little financial ability to stage a physical move. It is an incredibly impoverished area, and to suggest people just 'move away' is insulting, rude, and does not even remotely fit the situation.
DoubleCribble 8y ago
For the record - The Port is nowhere near full capacity. The Outer Harbor has been mothballed for 2+ years. [0] The coal shipments would displace the current bulk shipments terminal as it would be converted to a dedicated coal export terminal. [0]https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-of-oakland-ports-biggest-tenants-moving-out-1453248509 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-of-oakland-ports-biggest-te...

cryptoz 8y ago

Interesting points, thanks. > Clearly that's not related to the question at hand here That's not clear at all, actually the opposite is clear. Health impacts of local people were discussed directly in the article. It's clearly a major issue that is directly "related to the question at hand." > It sounds like you'd prefer that the port get completely shut down. I absolutely would not prefer that! That's insane. Please don't put such ridiculous and insane things down as something I said. No way. The Port of Oakland should obviously grow in size as necessary to fit the economy. The Port of Oakland is obviously extremely important. So is recognizing the facts of health impacts of locals and not dismissing it as irrelevant. > You'd be much better off moving away from the port and teh city that grew up around it. I don't live anywhere near there. But I think you'd find that the people who live by the Port of Oakland are not there by choice, and have little financial ability to stage a physical move. It is an incredibly impoverished area, and to suggest people just 'move away' is insulting, rude, and does not even remotely fit the situation.

DoubleCribble 8y ago

For the record - The Port is nowhere near full capacity. The Outer Harbor has been mothballed for 2+ years. [0] The coal shipments would displace the current bulk shipments terminal as it would be converted to a dedicated coal export terminal. [0]https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-of-oakland-ports-biggest-tenants-moving-out-1453248509 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-of-oakland-ports-biggest-te...