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I can't help but be amused in the irony that this says it requires more points than prior to hit the front page, yet appeared on the front page with only 3 poin

I can't help but be amused in the irony that this says it requires more points than prior to hit the front page, yet appeared on the front page with only 3 points.

sctb 8y ago
The role of time in ranking is not relevant to the concerns of the article but is very relevant to the submission.
vinceguidry 8y ago
The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. Wouldn't work for Reddit, but works rather well for HN. I have noticed that when I use a mobile app to browse HN, I'm far more willing to keep going past the front page, if only because it doesn't require clicks to do so. I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list. EDIT: A quick Google search turned up this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4484616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4484616 EDIT2: Sadly broken, scrolls once then I get an error in the console. I may end up fixing it and forking.
- drcharris 8y ago
  Try http://hckrnews.com/ http://hckrnews.com/, infinite scroll works nicely.
  - expiredtofu 8y ago
    Definitely agree, hckrnews is my main method of browsing Hacker News. It's nice to get a chronological view that keeps track of when I last visited.
    - nefitty 8y ago
      The mobile version doesn't have a color scheme picker. It's harsh going from HN to hckrnews because of the white background.
- loup-vaillant 8y ago
  > The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. I wasn't aware of that… My own HN submissions never made it to the front page without gathering two upvotes first. Those are pretty hard to get without a voting ring (err, two friends). There's the "new" page all right, but new stories come so fast there that it never lasts more than an hour. Once you get past the "front page" threshold however, points tend to flood in. The second vote is probably worth several dozen votes on average. Reddit sub-forums however lets new submissions land in the front page directly. Unsurprisingly, this makes voting pattern much more predictable (at least on r/programming and r/crypto, which are basically the only forums I go to).
  - derekp7 8y ago
    I think a hybrid approach would be to show the new submissions list after the front page list, after the fold (maybe having a delimiter separating them). That way new stories still get exposure to everyone by default (of course, this should also be a user option where they can turn this on or off, but default to on).
    - hokus 8y ago
      Make new into the front page then unlock access to the real HN by reading X articles for Y seconds and upvoting Z of them. Then have 1000 euro/month pro accounts to bypass having to work for your precious.
- jacquesm 8y ago
  > The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. I have never seen anything on the homepage with < 3 points.
  - dang 8y ago
    That's indeed the minimum.
- imron 8y ago
  > I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list As long as it's off by default. Infinite scroll is a major time sink.
- taneq 8y ago
  > I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list. As long as it's optional - if I get to the bottom of the front page, that's my trigger to stop wasting time here and get back to work. :P
paulpauper 8y ago
3 is the minimum to get the front page. from there it either rises or falls.
bartread 8y ago
I've noticed that at weekends articles require fewer points to hang around for longer on the homepage as well. I should probably stop reading HN on weekends really because the clear reason for this is that the people who aren't reading (and voting things up) have a life.
- mhneu 8y ago
  Probably opposite: browsing during the day means people are blowing off their jobs to use HN.
- milesvp 8y ago
  What's interesting is I feel like the diversity of front page posts seems higher on a typical saturday night. It also feels a lot more like HN felt a decade ago on a typical workday.
godelski 8y ago
As of right now (5:20 EST) it has 47 points. And the suggested median is 150 (110-250+ in error). FAR from the median front page score.
- xander2011 8y ago
  There may be some flagging of the topic which will negate the upvotes.

I can't help but be amused in the irony that this says it requires more points than prior to hit the front page, yet appeared on the front page with only 3 points.

sctb 8y ago

The role of time in ranking is not relevant to the concerns of the article but is very relevant to the submission.

vinceguidry 8y ago

The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. Wouldn't work for Reddit, but works rather well for HN. I have noticed that when I use a mobile app to browse HN, I'm far more willing to keep going past the front page, if only because it doesn't require clicks to do so. I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list. EDIT: A quick Google search turned up this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4484616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4484616 EDIT2: Sadly broken, scrolls once then I get an error in the console. I may end up fixing it and forking.

drcharris 8y ago
Try http://hckrnews.com/ http://hckrnews.com/, infinite scroll works nicely.
- expiredtofu 8y ago
  Definitely agree, hckrnews is my main method of browsing Hacker News. It's nice to get a chronological view that keeps track of when I last visited.
  - nefitty 8y ago
    The mobile version doesn't have a color scheme picker. It's harsh going from HN to hckrnews because of the white background.
loup-vaillant 8y ago
> The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. I wasn't aware of that… My own HN submissions never made it to the front page without gathering two upvotes first. Those are pretty hard to get without a voting ring (err, two friends). There's the "new" page all right, but new stories come so fast there that it never lasts more than an hour. Once you get past the "front page" threshold however, points tend to flood in. The second vote is probably worth several dozen votes on average. Reddit sub-forums however lets new submissions land in the front page directly. Unsurprisingly, this makes voting pattern much more predictable (at least on r/programming and r/crypto, which are basically the only forums I go to).
- derekp7 8y ago
  I think a hybrid approach would be to show the new submissions list after the front page list, after the fold (maybe having a delimiter separating them). That way new stories still get exposure to everyone by default (of course, this should also be a user option where they can turn this on or off, but default to on).
  - hokus 8y ago
    Make new into the front page then unlock access to the real HN by reading X articles for Y seconds and upvoting Z of them. Then have 1000 euro/month pro accounts to bypass having to work for your precious.
jacquesm 8y ago
> The solution HN implemented for the problem of crowdsourcing front-page curation is to allow a short window of time for all submissions to be on the front page in order to gather points. I have never seen anything on the homepage with < 3 points.
- dang 8y ago
  That's indeed the minimum.
imron 8y ago
> I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list As long as it's off by default. Infinite scroll is a major time sink.
taneq 8y ago
> I'd suggest an option for forever-scroll presentation for the article list. As long as it's optional - if I get to the bottom of the front page, that's my trigger to stop wasting time here and get back to work. :P

paulpauper 8y ago

3 is the minimum to get the front page. from there it either rises or falls.

bartread 8y ago

I've noticed that at weekends articles require fewer points to hang around for longer on the homepage as well. I should probably stop reading HN on weekends really because the clear reason for this is that the people who aren't reading (and voting things up) have a life.

mhneu 8y ago
Probably opposite: browsing during the day means people are blowing off their jobs to use HN.
milesvp 8y ago
What's interesting is I feel like the diversity of front page posts seems higher on a typical saturday night. It also feels a lot more like HN felt a decade ago on a typical workday.

godelski 8y ago

As of right now (5:20 EST) it has 47 points. And the suggested median is 150 (110-250+ in error). FAR from the median front page score.

xander2011 8y ago
There may be some flagging of the topic which will negate the upvotes.