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This is no guarantee. GoDaddy and Google Domains, in particular, have demonstrated willingness to throw you into clientHold hell for political reasons, even for

This is no guarantee. GoDaddy and Google Domains, in particular, have demonstrated willingness to throw you into clientHold hell for political reasons, even for "tried and true TLDs".

djsumdog 8y ago
I remember last year how Google, GoDaddy and CloudFlair all threw this one website under the bus: https://fightthefuture.org/article/the-new-era-of-corporate-censorship/ https://fightthefuture.org/article/the-new-era-of-corporate-... The Internet isn't as free as people think it is. Things still need to be hosts and those providers could simply chose to stop hosting you.
- namibj 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure you can find a DC at either AMS-IX or DE-CIX where the contract won't allow them to kick you out during the politically heated time (i.e. you should find somewhere with a 1y+ term), and iirc both exchanges have, due to their non-profit nature, no ability to kick you out unless your actions are actually illegal. So, unless you get shut down by a court of law (both host countries have them (well, almost, but compared to the US they are great)), you get sufficient bandwidth at those providers. Ofc eyeball networks can blackhole you w.r.t. their customers, but that is a whole different hurdle compared to just refusing to do business on the basis of freedom of contract/freedom of association. Sure it will cost you, about $6k/month for 100Gbits, not including hardware and rackspace. But if you are 'just' concerned with your static website staying online on the clearnet, this should be affordable (i.e., you should be able to host them from ram, and serve up to 600Gbit/s from a 1U AMD Epyc, for like $7k in hardware, not counting the ram (15$/GiB of content you want to host, with a minimum of 32GiB, up to 512GiB getting a discount, and up to 2TiB being possible)). Don't depend critically on companies risking political alignment with you, if what you do has any significant risk due to political association.
- jchw 8y ago
  >The Daily Stormer, a website with highly controversial hate speech, was recently scrubbed from the Internet. >A store cannot have blacks only and whites only bathrooms or water fountains. It's amazing how someone can unironically defend the plight of a website that they admit produces "highly controversial hate speech" by comparing it indirectly to none other than racial segregation.
  - protomyth 8y ago
    Today it’s the dregs, tomorrow it’s your nonconformity. Blindness in utilities is a good thing for everyone.
    - jchw 8y ago
      All I'm saying is that their own analogy is alarmingly lacking in self awareness, not commenting on what I believe. Frankly though, this is blown way out of proportion. Plenty of people will do business with them. The Daily Stormer is just the ultimate martyr. They have mastered the art of doing one thing and saying another. They absolutely incite violence and hate, but they're careful to also simultaneously distance themselves from it and play the victim when they wonder why no big company really wants to do business with them. There's a reason why 4chan never really had this issue despite similarly controversial content and the answer isn't just "politics." No, in my opinion, the real problem is that The Daily Stormer as an entity, is an Asshole. And just like they would in real life, they're being kicked out. Nobody has really made a compelling case otherwise, everyone seems more concerned that big companies actually made a non-nuetral decision (something I wish they'd do more often in the era of fake news and large scale abuse, an era they facilitated...) I see no slippery slope here. There's a balance to be had.
      - protomyth 8y ago
        Given how quickly people are to falsely group people (e.g. Ben Shapiro and Prager being called Alt-Right), I see a huge slippery slope. There really is no balance to be had since balance requires nuance which doesn’t seem to scale, ask YouTube.
hlandau 8y ago
Namecheap also did the same for the same website. I switched away from Namecheap for this reason.
jethro_tell 8y ago
Regardless of cost or how great the customer service, having all your eggs in one basket is not a good idea.

This is no guarantee. GoDaddy and Google Domains, in particular, have demonstrated willingness to throw you into clientHold hell for political reasons, even for "tried and true TLDs".

djsumdog 8y ago

I remember last year how Google, GoDaddy and CloudFlair all threw this one website under the bus: https://fightthefuture.org/article/the-new-era-of-corporate-censorship/ https://fightthefuture.org/article/the-new-era-of-corporate-... The Internet isn't as free as people think it is. Things still need to be hosts and those providers could simply chose to stop hosting you.

namibj 8y ago
I'm pretty sure you can find a DC at either AMS-IX or DE-CIX where the contract won't allow them to kick you out during the politically heated time (i.e. you should find somewhere with a 1y+ term), and iirc both exchanges have, due to their non-profit nature, no ability to kick you out unless your actions are actually illegal. So, unless you get shut down by a court of law (both host countries have them (well, almost, but compared to the US they are great)), you get sufficient bandwidth at those providers. Ofc eyeball networks can blackhole you w.r.t. their customers, but that is a whole different hurdle compared to just refusing to do business on the basis of freedom of contract/freedom of association. Sure it will cost you, about $6k/month for 100Gbits, not including hardware and rackspace. But if you are 'just' concerned with your static website staying online on the clearnet, this should be affordable (i.e., you should be able to host them from ram, and serve up to 600Gbit/s from a 1U AMD Epyc, for like $7k in hardware, not counting the ram (15$/GiB of content you want to host, with a minimum of 32GiB, up to 512GiB getting a discount, and up to 2TiB being possible)). Don't depend critically on companies risking political alignment with you, if what you do has any significant risk due to political association.
jchw 8y ago
>The Daily Stormer, a website with highly controversial hate speech, was recently scrubbed from the Internet. >A store cannot have blacks only and whites only bathrooms or water fountains. It's amazing how someone can unironically defend the plight of a website that they admit produces "highly controversial hate speech" by comparing it indirectly to none other than racial segregation.
- protomyth 8y ago
  Today it’s the dregs, tomorrow it’s your nonconformity. Blindness in utilities is a good thing for everyone.
  - jchw 8y ago
    All I'm saying is that their own analogy is alarmingly lacking in self awareness, not commenting on what I believe. Frankly though, this is blown way out of proportion. Plenty of people will do business with them. The Daily Stormer is just the ultimate martyr. They have mastered the art of doing one thing and saying another. They absolutely incite violence and hate, but they're careful to also simultaneously distance themselves from it and play the victim when they wonder why no big company really wants to do business with them. There's a reason why 4chan never really had this issue despite similarly controversial content and the answer isn't just "politics." No, in my opinion, the real problem is that The Daily Stormer as an entity, is an Asshole. And just like they would in real life, they're being kicked out. Nobody has really made a compelling case otherwise, everyone seems more concerned that big companies actually made a non-nuetral decision (something I wish they'd do more often in the era of fake news and large scale abuse, an era they facilitated...) I see no slippery slope here. There's a balance to be had.
    - protomyth 8y ago
      Given how quickly people are to falsely group people (e.g. Ben Shapiro and Prager being called Alt-Right), I see a huge slippery slope. There really is no balance to be had since balance requires nuance which doesn’t seem to scale, ask YouTube.

hlandau 8y ago

Namecheap also did the same for the same website. I switched away from Namecheap for this reason.

jethro_tell 8y ago

Regardless of cost or how great the customer service, having all your eggs in one basket is not a good idea.