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This issue will get worse... As people choose to remove transparent forms of tracking... utm parameters, cookies, etc... we find "better" ways that aren't as ob

by taf2 8y ago

This issue will get worse... As people choose to remove transparent forms of tracking... utm parameters, cookies, etc... we find "better" ways that aren't as obvious. Really it's a choice... we can have clear tracking or we can have hidden tracking... blanket blocking is going to lead to a much harder to block and aware form of tracking. As the saying goes... "be careful what you wish for"

Moru 8y ago
We already have hidden tracking, another reason to blanket block everything.
michaelmrose 8y ago
Alternatively we could just regulate matters until the only way for them to make money is to stand in front of a frier and make french fries. Acting like this is a losing battle makes such a foregone conclusion. Marketing is like 0.0001% of the population its ok for the rest of us to disagree and regulate them to the degree required to ensure our continued wellbeing even if this means regulating them virtually out of existence.
- unpopular42 8y ago
  You, yourself, personally, are about .000000013% of the population. Is it ok for the rest of us to regulate you out of existence? I feel like this is required to ensure our continued wellbeing, given that you spend time spreading utter idiocy.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    In the united states we hold that people have a right to exist and a right to freely express themselves. Even express yourself like you are right now. However both commercial speech and collection of personal data may be subject to both regulation and technical limitation without raising a constitutional question unlike you know killing people with inconvenient ideas. Your industry is odious and if 90% of it dies not much will be lost. You don't have a right to make a living in a certain fashion if the way you make a living is detrimental to the rest of us. Even if I'm the 0.000000013% I and people like myself who don't work in marketing are the 99.999% Our well being matters more than your paycheck. Personal data collection has a good chance to effect millions negatively in the coming years and I can't imagine why we who stand to lose wouldn't regard people like yourself as the enemy. If you don't like making french fries apply whatever useful skills you possess to good ends elsewhere.
zentiggr 8y ago
That reads like "we are going to do this somehow, we refuse to give up and we don't give a rat's ass how shitty we have to be to accomplish our goals" That makes it an absolute priority to cut "you" off at the knees and make your goal impossible, as you have just told us you are scum and need to be cleansed from the world. Prove otherwise and we can consider allowing you back in the pool with the people who know how to respect others.
AlexandrB 8y ago
We already have tons of hidden tracking and fingerprinting. It’s never enough is it?
matheusmoreira 8y ago
So your idea is to enter a technological arms race with the people who physically control the machine your tracking code is going to run on? This approach isn't working very well for the people trying to fight ad blockers.

by taf2 8y ago

Moru 8y ago

We already have hidden tracking, another reason to blanket block everything.

michaelmrose 8y ago

Alternatively we could just regulate matters until the only way for them to make money is to stand in front of a frier and make french fries. Acting like this is a losing battle makes such a foregone conclusion. Marketing is like 0.0001% of the population its ok for the rest of us to disagree and regulate them to the degree required to ensure our continued wellbeing even if this means regulating them virtually out of existence.

unpopular42 8y ago
You, yourself, personally, are about .000000013% of the population. Is it ok for the rest of us to regulate you out of existence? I feel like this is required to ensure our continued wellbeing, given that you spend time spreading utter idiocy.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  In the united states we hold that people have a right to exist and a right to freely express themselves. Even express yourself like you are right now. However both commercial speech and collection of personal data may be subject to both regulation and technical limitation without raising a constitutional question unlike you know killing people with inconvenient ideas. Your industry is odious and if 90% of it dies not much will be lost. You don't have a right to make a living in a certain fashion if the way you make a living is detrimental to the rest of us. Even if I'm the 0.000000013% I and people like myself who don't work in marketing are the 99.999% Our well being matters more than your paycheck. Personal data collection has a good chance to effect millions negatively in the coming years and I can't imagine why we who stand to lose wouldn't regard people like yourself as the enemy. If you don't like making french fries apply whatever useful skills you possess to good ends elsewhere.

zentiggr 8y ago

That reads like "we are going to do this somehow, we refuse to give up and we don't give a rat's ass how shitty we have to be to accomplish our goals" That makes it an absolute priority to cut "you" off at the knees and make your goal impossible, as you have just told us you are scum and need to be cleansed from the world. Prove otherwise and we can consider allowing you back in the pool with the people who know how to respect others.

AlexandrB 8y ago

We already have tons of hidden tracking and fingerprinting. It’s never enough is it?

matheusmoreira 8y ago

So your idea is to enter a technological arms race with the people who physically control the machine your tracking code is going to run on? This approach isn't working very well for the people trying to fight ad blockers.