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This is cute, but with what we now know about CTE, I can't help but find boxing, football, etc disgusting. I'm not just being a pretentious nerd, I actually li

This is cute, but with what we now know about CTE, I can't help but find boxing, football, etc disgusting. I'm not just being a pretentious nerd, I actually like sports and I used to love watching boxing / MMA. It is so so so much worse than what we thought. Dave Mirra, Chris Benoit, Aaron Hernandez, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_players_with_chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy#High_school_football_players_with_CTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_players_with_chron... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/footba...

sneak 8y ago
Even without the long-term damage associated with CTE, there is limited intellectual value to any sport that involves hitting others in the head.
- MikkoFinell 8y ago
  What do you mean by "intellectual value"? I find it interesting to watch combat sports, because it's like an experiment in human physique and psychology that reveals of what kind of self defense is actually effective and how humans function under extreme conditions. For me, that is valuable even if I never got in a fight for the rest of my life.
- omginternets 8y ago
  There is such thing as value that is non-intellectual.
- pc86 8y ago
  God forbid someone not spend their life minmaxing for "intellectual value" (whatever that means).
- montalbano 8y ago
  Without going to boxing I never would have developed the discipline and endurance necessary for my university degree. How's that for intellectual value?
  - omginternets 8y ago
    Likewise (MMA in my case). Learning to fight generalizes beyond actual fighting.
crottypeter 8y ago
> This is cute, but with what we now know about CTE, I can't help but find boxing, American football (handegg), etc disgusting. FTFY Seriously the rest of the world calls 'Soccer': 'football'
- humanrebar 8y ago
  "Unqualified, the word football is understood to refer to whichever form of football is the most popular in the regional context in which the word appears." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football ...though association football does not have a concussion problem the way American football does. I'm not aware whether Australian or rugby football have concussion issues as well.
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  - Retric 8y ago
    Soccer does have brain trauma issues, from people bouncing the ball off their head. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/10/25/heading-a-soccer-ball-causes-instant-brain-changes-study-finds/?utm_term=.39efb921ccf1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/1...
  - s3m4j 8y ago
    HN isn't "regional" though.
- aaron695 8y ago
  Not sure of the original point but here's a map for those interested in who says what - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1tg14k/football_vs_soccer_how_people_of_the_world_name/ https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1tg14k/football_vs_...
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thesz 8y ago
Boxing at amateur level does not produce any noticeable changes in the brain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034739/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034739/ Please find boxing enjoyable again. ;)
- scott_s 8y ago
  Considering that we now know that repeated subconcussive hits over time can result in CTE later in life, and that even amateur boxers during sparring will suffer many of those, my priors are strongly in the other direction. It’s going to take many more studies coming to the same conclusion to convince me otherwise. Part of my priors is my exposure to amateur MMA, and training and sparring with people who fought amateur MMA. You take a lot of hits in sparring, and some of them are hard enough to disorient you, even thought it’s not a concussion.
  - rhombocombus 8y ago
    As a follow on, if the hit is hard enough to disorient you, it is likely doing damage. If I understand correctly, most of the accumulated damage in CTE comes from subclinical impacts.
scott_s 8y ago
I feel like I could have written your comment.

sneak 8y ago

Even without the long-term damage associated with CTE, there is limited intellectual value to any sport that involves hitting others in the head.

MikkoFinell 8y ago
What do you mean by "intellectual value"? I find it interesting to watch combat sports, because it's like an experiment in human physique and psychology that reveals of what kind of self defense is actually effective and how humans function under extreme conditions. For me, that is valuable even if I never got in a fight for the rest of my life.
omginternets 8y ago
There is such thing as value that is non-intellectual.
pc86 8y ago
God forbid someone not spend their life minmaxing for "intellectual value" (whatever that means).
montalbano 8y ago
Without going to boxing I never would have developed the discipline and endurance necessary for my university degree. How's that for intellectual value?
- omginternets 8y ago
  Likewise (MMA in my case). Learning to fight generalizes beyond actual fighting.

crottypeter 8y ago

> This is cute, but with what we now know about CTE, I can't help but find boxing, American football (handegg), etc disgusting. FTFY Seriously the rest of the world calls 'Soccer': 'football'

humanrebar 8y ago
"Unqualified, the word football is understood to refer to whichever form of football is the most popular in the regional context in which the word appears." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football ...though association football does not have a concussion problem the way American football does. I'm not aware whether Australian or rugby football have concussion issues as well.
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- Retric 8y ago
  Soccer does have brain trauma issues, from people bouncing the ball off their head. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/10/25/heading-a-soccer-ball-causes-instant-brain-changes-study-finds/?utm_term=.39efb921ccf1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/1...
- s3m4j 8y ago
  HN isn't "regional" though.
aaron695 8y ago
Not sure of the original point but here's a map for those interested in who says what - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1tg14k/football_vs_soccer_how_people_of_the_world_name/ https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1tg14k/football_vs_...
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thesz 8y ago

Boxing at amateur level does not produce any noticeable changes in the brain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034739/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034739/ Please find boxing enjoyable again. ;)

scott_s 8y ago
Considering that we now know that repeated subconcussive hits over time can result in CTE later in life, and that even amateur boxers during sparring will suffer many of those, my priors are strongly in the other direction. It’s going to take many more studies coming to the same conclusion to convince me otherwise. Part of my priors is my exposure to amateur MMA, and training and sparring with people who fought amateur MMA. You take a lot of hits in sparring, and some of them are hard enough to disorient you, even thought it’s not a concussion.
- rhombocombus 8y ago
  As a follow on, if the hit is hard enough to disorient you, it is likely doing damage. If I understand correctly, most of the accumulated damage in CTE comes from subclinical impacts.

scott_s 8y ago

I feel like I could have written your comment.