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I can’t check my email on my Kindle or my car. Maybe cut to the chase: what specific capability is an iPhone lacking that every “real computer” has?

nkkollaw 8y ago
If a keyboard (and a decent-sized screen) can be added, definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface. I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell.
- seandougall 8y ago
  > definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface. Wouldn’t that mean most servers aren’t computers? Not to mention the DOS machines I grew up with, or everything made before the Xerox Alto? > I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell. Not going to disagree with you there. But that doesn’t make it not-a-computer.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    Those are servers. If we want to classify devices, we need to group them somehow. Otherwise we call them devices and call it a day.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      Servers are still computers. We already classify them: smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers are all groups of computers.
    - zingmars 8y ago
      His old DOS machines certainly weren't servers. Not having a GUI does not make a machine a server and having a GUI does not make a computer not-a-server (especially since we have graphics chips inside CPUs now).
- mc808 8y ago
  Even though you're technically wrong (the best kind of wrong), I can see where you're coming from. Even microcontroller ICs without enough memory to store this comment are real computers and are silent, but if you say you've built a silent computer and then unveil some Arduino contraption, expect eyes to roll. That said, I still think smartphones qualify as computers even by your productivity definition. Newer smartphones would sit somewhere above older netbooks on a ranking of overall utility.
- annabellish 8y ago
  I don't know about iDevices, but this is very much supported on a lot of Android phones. Samsung's lineup even has it as a bullet point feature, and they sell docks which let you connect your phone to a screen, peripherals, and switch to a mouse-oriented UI without having to do _anything_ weird. At that point, you're running a mouse-centric, multi-window OS with a wide array of software, that can run basically whatever you want. So that's a computer, definitely, right? When does it stop being a computer? If you disconnect the display? Is it using a stylus instead of a mouse? Maybe the software keyboard instead of a hardware keyboard? (But then is the MS Surface not a computer when you detach the keyboard case?)
Nullabillity 8y ago
Do you run the SDK on the device itself, or do you have to develop somewhere else and then transfer the build output to the device?
- icebraining 8y ago
  On Android, you can definitively develop and compile on the device itself. See for example: http://www.android-ide.com/ http://www.android-ide.com/
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    What a nightmare, though.
    - icebraining 8y ago
      Have you tried programming on the original Eee laptops? I'd take a 10" tablet with a bluetooth keyboard over that 7" screen and tiny keys any day.
      - nkkollaw 8y ago
        I've tried touch based UIs to do actual work, and I just can't handle it.
        icebraining 8y ago
        Android can be quite well driven by the keyboard. Even alt-tabbing between applications works.
        nkkollaw 8y ago
        Personally, even a touchpad compared to a mouse will slow me down significantly. It's possible that I could be somewhat productive on a tablet in an emergency, but not as my main machine like Apple suggest people should do.
nkkollaw 8y ago
Why can you not check your email on your Kindle? There's a browser, you can absolutely check your email.
Volt 8y ago
>I can’t check my email on my Kindle I can on mine…

nkkollaw 8y ago

If a keyboard (and a decent-sized screen) can be added, definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface. I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell.

seandougall 8y ago
> definitely a mouse and a mouse-centric interface. Wouldn’t that mean most servers aren’t computers? Not to mention the DOS machines I grew up with, or everything made before the Xerox Alto? > I have tried using an iPad Pro for productivity, and it's living hell. Not going to disagree with you there. But that doesn’t make it not-a-computer.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  Those are servers. If we want to classify devices, we need to group them somehow. Otherwise we call them devices and call it a day.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Servers are still computers. We already classify them: smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers are all groups of computers.
  - zingmars 8y ago
    His old DOS machines certainly weren't servers. Not having a GUI does not make a machine a server and having a GUI does not make a computer not-a-server (especially since we have graphics chips inside CPUs now).
mc808 8y ago
Even though you're technically wrong (the best kind of wrong), I can see where you're coming from. Even microcontroller ICs without enough memory to store this comment are real computers and are silent, but if you say you've built a silent computer and then unveil some Arduino contraption, expect eyes to roll. That said, I still think smartphones qualify as computers even by your productivity definition. Newer smartphones would sit somewhere above older netbooks on a ranking of overall utility.
annabellish 8y ago
I don't know about iDevices, but this is very much supported on a lot of Android phones. Samsung's lineup even has it as a bullet point feature, and they sell docks which let you connect your phone to a screen, peripherals, and switch to a mouse-oriented UI without having to do _anything_ weird. At that point, you're running a mouse-centric, multi-window OS with a wide array of software, that can run basically whatever you want. So that's a computer, definitely, right? When does it stop being a computer? If you disconnect the display? Is it using a stylus instead of a mouse? Maybe the software keyboard instead of a hardware keyboard? (But then is the MS Surface not a computer when you detach the keyboard case?)

Nullabillity 8y ago

Do you run the SDK on the device itself, or do you have to develop somewhere else and then transfer the build output to the device?

icebraining 8y ago
On Android, you can definitively develop and compile on the device itself. See for example: http://www.android-ide.com/ http://www.android-ide.com/
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  What a nightmare, though.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Have you tried programming on the original Eee laptops? I'd take a 10" tablet with a bluetooth keyboard over that 7" screen and tiny keys any day.
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      I've tried touch based UIs to do actual work, and I just can't handle it.
      - icebraining 8y ago
        Android can be quite well driven by the keyboard. Even alt-tabbing between applications works.
        nkkollaw 8y ago
        Personally, even a touchpad compared to a mouse will slow me down significantly. It's possible that I could be somewhat productive on a tablet in an emergency, but not as my main machine like Apple suggest people should do.

nkkollaw 8y ago

Why can you not check your email on your Kindle? There's a browser, you can absolutely check your email.

Volt 8y ago

>I can’t check my email on my Kindle I can on mine…