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> who feel they have skills but lack credentials, but it is no excuse for falsifying info. Why is it no excuse? Because we work in a system where the majority

> who feel they have skills but lack credentials, but it is no excuse for falsifying info. Why is it no excuse? Because we work in a system where the majority of employees and employers are trying to do the right thing. But that's becoming less and less true - I've interviewed with plenty of companies who have no problem with wasting days of a potential employees time with large take home tests and I've got no qualms about outsourcing those tests.

evrydayhustling 8y ago
It's not just unethical, it's impractical, and the same reason applies to your take-home tests: if the first thing your employer asks you to do is something you want to outsource, what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? It's fair to be annoyed when hiring managers shift costs of filtering over to candidates. If it really bothers you, might be a sign to avoid that company culture entirely.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? What makes you think the interview process is indicative of the work environment? Most of the time it isn't. I've worked at quite a few great places that had ridiculous interview processes.
  - evrydayhustling 8y ago
    Ok so there is a work environment you respect and want to be part of, but there is an interview process in the way that you feel has nothing to do with the work environment and wastes your time, so deceiving them is self defense. Is outsourcing the take home test the only version of that which is ok, or is resume pumping etc ok too? (This is meant to be pointed, because I disagree, but not rhetorical - I'm genuinely interested in understanding the happy path end to end for this strategy.)
- gkya 8y ago
  A very small amount of people have such an abundance of opportunities.
- FLUX-YOU 8y ago
  If they don't realize that they could just outsource the ten things, he's adding value, managing the overhead, and should get paid for doing that. Believe me, people do get paid to do that and it's considered a good career. People even get paid to sit on reddit for 6 hours of a day for $100k+. Let's not pretend candidates have equal recourse if a company lies to them about the culture or the job.

evrydayhustling 8y ago

It's not just unethical, it's impractical, and the same reason applies to your take-home tests: if the first thing your employer asks you to do is something you want to outsource, what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? It's fair to be annoyed when hiring managers shift costs of filtering over to candidates. If it really bothers you, might be a sign to avoid that company culture entirely.

sheepmullet 8y ago
> what makes you think the tenth thing they ask you to do will be better? What makes you think the interview process is indicative of the work environment? Most of the time it isn't. I've worked at quite a few great places that had ridiculous interview processes.
- evrydayhustling 8y ago
  Ok so there is a work environment you respect and want to be part of, but there is an interview process in the way that you feel has nothing to do with the work environment and wastes your time, so deceiving them is self defense. Is outsourcing the take home test the only version of that which is ok, or is resume pumping etc ok too? (This is meant to be pointed, because I disagree, but not rhetorical - I'm genuinely interested in understanding the happy path end to end for this strategy.)
gkya 8y ago
A very small amount of people have such an abundance of opportunities.
FLUX-YOU 8y ago
If they don't realize that they could just outsource the ten things, he's adding value, managing the overhead, and should get paid for doing that. Believe me, people do get paid to do that and it's considered a good career. People even get paid to sit on reddit for 6 hours of a day for $100k+. Let's not pretend candidates have equal recourse if a company lies to them about the culture or the job.