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> Tesla is the only game in town right now Well, if you get your news from sources like Electrek, you'd think so. Yet here we are with both Jaguar and very so

> Tesla is the only game in town right now Well, if you get your news from sources like Electrek, you'd think so. Yet here we are with both Jaguar and very soon Audi selling fully electric SUVs that are competitive with the Model X on both features and price. And in the second month after launch (March 2018), Nissan sold 11 400 units of the new (150 mile EPA range) Leaf; next year they have a 230 mile range model coming out. It may not be a Model 3 killer based on range, but they sold 300 000 of the old model, so it's no compliance car. Nissan also currently has a monopoly on fully electric MPVs (e-NV200). These may not all be sexy cars with ridiculous modes, but if they help save our planet, I'm all for it.

ZeroGravitas 8y ago
Tesla is the only one that has "burned their boats" and fully aligned their corporate future with electrification. On that spectrum there's Tesla, a bunch of Chinese firms like BYD then a big gap before firms like Jaguar, Audi, Volkswagen all of whom are selling products that Tesla can rightly attack as being the past, not the future of transport. I think every bit helps, including efficiency, smaller cars, public transport, city cars and non plugin hybrids like Nissan's eNote range but Tesla is setting the pace to a large degree at the moment.
tokipin 8y ago
I think what you'll see with a lot of competing EVs is the same thing that happened with GM's Bolt. Decent enough car. But that's about it. The problem is that it's not enough to just make an EV. Wait until lower-priced variants of the Model 3 are being produced to see how outclassed the Bolt is, and wait until Jaguar and Audi's SUVs are out to see how they really compare. Chances are it won't be favorable for Jaguar or Audi, but I'm open to being surprised. The first genuinely serious EV from another automaker in my opinion will be Porsche's Mission E, but take note of how well it can match the characteristics of a Model S, a family sedan, you can already buy today. Still, just the idea of an all-electric Porsche is badass. > These may not all be sexy cars with ridiculous modes, but if they help save our planet, I'm all for it. We're in agreement that any measure of EVing is good. Many of the challenges facing automakers are systemic, so they are in a tough spot even if they genuinely believe EVs are the future.

ZeroGravitas 8y ago

Tesla is the only one that has "burned their boats" and fully aligned their corporate future with electrification. On that spectrum there's Tesla, a bunch of Chinese firms like BYD then a big gap before firms like Jaguar, Audi, Volkswagen all of whom are selling products that Tesla can rightly attack as being the past, not the future of transport. I think every bit helps, including efficiency, smaller cars, public transport, city cars and non plugin hybrids like Nissan's eNote range but Tesla is setting the pace to a large degree at the moment.

tokipin 8y ago

I think what you'll see with a lot of competing EVs is the same thing that happened with GM's Bolt. Decent enough car. But that's about it. The problem is that it's not enough to just make an EV. Wait until lower-priced variants of the Model 3 are being produced to see how outclassed the Bolt is, and wait until Jaguar and Audi's SUVs are out to see how they really compare. Chances are it won't be favorable for Jaguar or Audi, but I'm open to being surprised. The first genuinely serious EV from another automaker in my opinion will be Porsche's Mission E, but take note of how well it can match the characteristics of a Model S, a family sedan, you can already buy today. Still, just the idea of an all-electric Porsche is badass. > These may not all be sexy cars with ridiculous modes, but if they help save our planet, I'm all for it. We're in agreement that any measure of EVing is good. Many of the challenges facing automakers are systemic, so they are in a tough spot even if they genuinely believe EVs are the future.