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> the new Michigan law is broader, banning “material support or resources to a federal agency to enable it to collect or to facilitate in the collection or use

> the new Michigan law is broader, banning “material support or resources to a federal agency to enable it to collect or to facilitate in the collection or use of a person's electronic data or metadata,” except if the collection is done with informed consent, a warrant, or a legal warrant exception, such as instances in which there’s no expectation of privacy. I wonder about the practical effectiveness of it: It only covers state and local government agencies (if I understand correctly). How much surveillance do they perform? Business performs far more AFAIK. Can they continue to hand over data to the federal government? What about federal contractors such as Palantir? What about state and local data sold on the market, such as drivers license and voting information (at least in many/most states; I don't know about Michigan). The law makes an exception for a legal warrant exception, such as instances in which there's no expectation of privacy. 'No expectation of privacy' is, I understand, how every business gives data to the government and seems to allow government and business access to everything but a lead-sealed, windowless, Faraday cage in your house (but the smart power meters can identify a lot of your activity anyway). Also, other factors make it seem symbolic: > The Michigan law doesn't make cooperation with the NSA a crime or outline an enforcement mechanism. and > passing with a single "no" vote in the legislature

gnode 8y ago
> other factors make it seem symbolic I don't think this is actually true. A single no vote just means that it wasn't unanimous (but almost so). As for not defining a crime, much of law (e.g. the constitution) does not define crimes, but regulations of government which may be enforced by courts. E.g. the government must not station troops in your house in peacetime (Third Amendment) or the government must appoint you legal counsel in a trial (Sixth Amendment). > The law makes an exception for a legal warrant exception I also wonder about this, particularly as a lot of the NSA's activities do have "legal" warrants issued by the secretive FISA court.
- forapurpose 8y ago
  >> other factors make it seem symbolic > I don't think this is actually true. A single no vote just means that it wasn't unanimous (but almost so). The implication I drew from it was that the bill was uncontroversial. If security agencies thought it was a threat then I'd expect much more of a fight, though that would not necessarily happen.
posix_me_less 8y ago
> "a lead-sealed, windowless, Faraday cage in your house (but the smart power meters can identify a lot of your activity anyway)" To get as close as possible to perfection isolation, also ground the cage to make it produce much less emissions and use some filtering device on any cords connecting it to power/communication grids (ungrounded Faraday cage only stops incoming communication, not outgoing one).

gnode 8y ago

> other factors make it seem symbolic I don't think this is actually true. A single no vote just means that it wasn't unanimous (but almost so). As for not defining a crime, much of law (e.g. the constitution) does not define crimes, but regulations of government which may be enforced by courts. E.g. the government must not station troops in your house in peacetime (Third Amendment) or the government must appoint you legal counsel in a trial (Sixth Amendment). > The law makes an exception for a legal warrant exception I also wonder about this, particularly as a lot of the NSA's activities do have "legal" warrants issued by the secretive FISA court.

forapurpose 8y ago
>> other factors make it seem symbolic > I don't think this is actually true. A single no vote just means that it wasn't unanimous (but almost so). The implication I drew from it was that the bill was uncontroversial. If security agencies thought it was a threat then I'd expect much more of a fight, though that would not necessarily happen.

posix_me_less 8y ago

> "a lead-sealed, windowless, Faraday cage in your house (but the smart power meters can identify a lot of your activity anyway)" To get as close as possible to perfection isolation, also ground the cage to make it produce much less emissions and use some filtering device on any cords connecting it to power/communication grids (ungrounded Faraday cage only stops incoming communication, not outgoing one).