4 ms·

Lyft for example? Or Airbnb? They have forced arbitration clauses as well. We'll see if they match Uber's commitment here.

ProAm 8y ago
I think its more important for Uber because they have a history of their drivers committing rape. I don't know if there are cases of that for Lyft or Airbnb but I have not heard about it from those companies.
- austenallred 8y ago
  Because of forced arbitration?
- bln_wgc 8y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-lyft-drivers-sexual-assault-passengers-report/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-lyft-drivers-sexual-assaul... Incidence rate is similar on both platforms.
- googlemike 8y ago
  What does the ride hailing service and infrastructure (platform?) have to do with the drivers beyond screening them to the best of their ability? It's like saying Mcdonalds, the post office, or any large employer should be held accountable for the crimes of their employees. I googled the most trivial of searches and got dozens of responses, here's a few. In any of these cases, is it really fair to say any of these were Uber's fault? Or Lyft's? I do not think so. Do you? https://nypost.com/2018/03/05/woman-raped-twice-trying-to-take-a-lyft-home-cops/ https://nypost.com/2018/03/05/woman-raped-twice-trying-to-ta... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/davie/fl-sb-davie-lyft-sex-battery-20171019-story.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/davie/fl-sb-davie-... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rape-victim-suing-lyft-for-failing-to-screen-out-driver-who-attacked-her-300552177.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rape-victim-suing-l... https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/boone-county/lyft-driver-accused-of-raping-zionsville-woman-before-driving-her-home https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/boone-county/...
  - ProAm 8y ago
    Whether it's their fault or not, I believe a person should have a right to sue and lose, especially in cases of rape. You are right that Uber/Lyft/etc will likely be found not at fault, but then there is the case where Uber stole a customers medicals records in one of these rape instances [1] in which a lawsuit is more than fair for the victim. [1] https://www.recode.net/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-assault-rape-medical-records https://www.recode.net/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-indi...
    - googlemike 8y ago
      Agreed. My point was merely that this is a great move from the consumer perspective, one that I doubt other companies will follow.
      - ProAm 8y ago
        Yeah it is a great move. I think the other companies will follow suit once they have an incident that causes the same level of bad PR that Uber has experienced. Once it starts to cut into their profits they will jump on board, sadly it always comes down to money.
        malandrew 8y ago
        The other thing you can do is reward the companies that lead on these issues with your business so you encourage others to do the same. It's carrots and sticks. If a company doesn't do what you want, try sticks (punish them for not doing what you want) and carrots (reward those that do so others see that they should do the same).
  - lhorie 8y ago
    What's more, ride hailing drivers aren't even employees to begin with in most jurisdictions, and in many cases, the drivers working with one ride hailing company actually also work with the other(s).
  - cortesoft 8y ago
- zethraeus 8y ago
  Why do you think it could be substantively different between Uber and Lyft? It seems incredibly unlikely to me. I see basically no cultural difference between these platforms.
- malandrew 8y ago
  It happens with all these companies, you just don't hear about it because they aren't companies that those that work in the mainstream media love to hate. Neither of those two companies generate nearly as many pageviews as Uber because Uber touches an order of magnitude more lives.
adamsea 8y ago
Commitment is yet to be seen .... this is an attempt at change though, for sure.
gnicholas 8y ago
Lyft apparently has matched: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/05/15/uber-ends-arbitration-sex-assault-claims-passengers-employees/610616002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/05/15/uber-end...

ProAm 8y ago

I think its more important for Uber because they have a history of their drivers committing rape. I don't know if there are cases of that for Lyft or Airbnb but I have not heard about it from those companies.

austenallred 8y ago
Because of forced arbitration?
bln_wgc 8y ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-lyft-drivers-sexual-assault-passengers-report/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-lyft-drivers-sexual-assaul... Incidence rate is similar on both platforms.
googlemike 8y ago
What does the ride hailing service and infrastructure (platform?) have to do with the drivers beyond screening them to the best of their ability? It's like saying Mcdonalds, the post office, or any large employer should be held accountable for the crimes of their employees. I googled the most trivial of searches and got dozens of responses, here's a few. In any of these cases, is it really fair to say any of these were Uber's fault? Or Lyft's? I do not think so. Do you? https://nypost.com/2018/03/05/woman-raped-twice-trying-to-take-a-lyft-home-cops/ https://nypost.com/2018/03/05/woman-raped-twice-trying-to-ta... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/davie/fl-sb-davie-lyft-sex-battery-20171019-story.html http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/davie/fl-sb-davie-... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rape-victim-suing-lyft-for-failing-to-screen-out-driver-who-attacked-her-300552177.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rape-victim-suing-l... https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/boone-county/lyft-driver-accused-of-raping-zionsville-woman-before-driving-her-home https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/boone-county/...
- ProAm 8y ago
  Whether it's their fault or not, I believe a person should have a right to sue and lose, especially in cases of rape. You are right that Uber/Lyft/etc will likely be found not at fault, but then there is the case where Uber stole a customers medicals records in one of these rape instances [1] in which a lawsuit is more than fair for the victim. [1] https://www.recode.net/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-india-assault-rape-medical-records https://www.recode.net/2017/6/7/15754316/uber-executive-indi...
  - googlemike 8y ago
    Agreed. My point was merely that this is a great move from the consumer perspective, one that I doubt other companies will follow.
    - ProAm 8y ago
      Yeah it is a great move. I think the other companies will follow suit once they have an incident that causes the same level of bad PR that Uber has experienced. Once it starts to cut into their profits they will jump on board, sadly it always comes down to money.
      - malandrew 8y ago
        The other thing you can do is reward the companies that lead on these issues with your business so you encourage others to do the same. It's carrots and sticks. If a company doesn't do what you want, try sticks (punish them for not doing what you want) and carrots (reward those that do so others see that they should do the same).
- lhorie 8y ago
  What's more, ride hailing drivers aren't even employees to begin with in most jurisdictions, and in many cases, the drivers working with one ride hailing company actually also work with the other(s).
- cortesoft 8y ago
zethraeus 8y ago
Why do you think it could be substantively different between Uber and Lyft? It seems incredibly unlikely to me. I see basically no cultural difference between these platforms.
malandrew 8y ago
It happens with all these companies, you just don't hear about it because they aren't companies that those that work in the mainstream media love to hate. Neither of those two companies generate nearly as many pageviews as Uber because Uber touches an order of magnitude more lives.

adamsea 8y ago

Commitment is yet to be seen .... this is an attempt at change though, for sure.

gnicholas 8y ago

Lyft apparently has matched: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/05/15/uber-ends-arbitration-sex-assault-claims-passengers-employees/610616002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/05/15/uber-end...