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You're arguing over proximate vs. ultimate causes, when both are causes. This was proximately caused by Snowden disclosing what the NSA was doing. It was ulti
by unit91 8y ago
You're arguing over proximate vs. ultimate causes, when both are causes.
This was proximately caused by Snowden disclosing what the NSA was doing. It was ultimately caused by NSA monitoring major swaths of the population.
ETA: decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_and_ultimate_causation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_and_ultimate_causati...
- trisimix 8y agoThanks for thatuseful distinction
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoI agree with other guy, that is a useful distinction and I didn’t know that’s what it was called. I’ll still argue for ultimate cause because if it wasn’t Snowden it seems likely would have been someone else. I’m a firm believer in don’t shoot the messenger, even if they are flawed.