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>Telling people not to use bash scripts is like telling web devs not to use javascript or OS devs not to use C. Wow, this comparison is totally whack. Javascri

>Telling people not to use bash scripts is like telling web devs not to use javascript or OS devs not to use C. Wow, this comparison is totally whack. Javascript and C are both standardized and the former is the only option when using a web browser. It's never too late. We managed to get people off of ANSI C and there's a similar amount of difference between ANSI* C and C89 as there is between bash and sh. * correction: pre-ANSI

thankthunk 8y ago
> Wow, this comparison is totally whack Did you really say whack? > Javascript and C are both standardized and the former is the only option when using a web browser. Javascript isn't the only option. It is the most popular by far and hence the "de facto" language of the web. And javascript certainly isn't "standardized" in the sense you are writing. Do you know anything about web development, browser implementation of javascript and javascript itself? Javascript is no more "standardized" than SQL is standardized. Every RDBMs implements their own flavor of SQL just like browsers do with javascript. >It's never too late. Did I say it was too late? Of course I didn't. Maybe if you took a step back from your fanboyism and read... "It may change in the future, but bash is so entrenched, it's going to take an extraordinary use case for people to move from bash." > We managed to get people off of ANSI C and there's a similar amount of difference between ANSI C and C89 as there is between bash and sh. ANSI C and C89 are the same thing. ANSI C is just another name for C89... Sigh...
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  >Javascript isn't the only option. It is the most popular by far and hence the "de facto" language of the web. And javascript certainly isn't "standardized" in the sense you are writing. Do you know anything about web development, browser implementation of javascript and javascript itself? Javascript is no more "standardized" than SQL is standardized. Every RDBMs implements their own flavor of SQL just like browsers do with javascript. This is nonsense. I am very familiar with web browsers. Javascript is standardized as ECMAScript: https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ec... The "standard library" browsers implement is also standardized: https://www.w3.org/standards/ https://www.w3.org/standards/ You're off your rocker. >Did I say it was too late? Of course I didn't. Maybe if you took a step back from your fanboyism and read... Here is a direct quote from your comment: >It's a bit too late for that. Bash is pretty much the de facto default shell for linux. >ANSI C and C89 are the same thing. ANSI C is just another name for C89... Sigh... Derp, I meant K&R C or pre-ANSI C. My mistake.
  - thankthunk 8y ago
    > This is nonsense. I am very familiar with web browsers. Javascript is standardized as ECMAScript: As I said, it is standardized as SQL is "standardized", but every browser implements their own flavor just like every database server. You aren't familiar with anything. That much is obvious. > You're off your rocker. It's funny how my comments are flagged but not yours when you've been spouting nonsense. > Here is a direct quote from your comment: That's right. It's a bit late to tell users to stop using bash. What's so confusing about that? My point is that a "strong use case" has to be introduced, not telling people to switch? Once again, if you learned to read rather than fanboying, you would have caught onto it. My point is that telling people to change isn't going to work when something is established. There has to be a serious use case to incentivize people to switch. Okay? No different than switching to powershell from cmd in windows or to python from perl in linux. >Derp, I meant K&R C or pre-ANSI C. My mistake. "Derp"? All your comments were "derp". But this being Hacker news, people providing factual and thorough responses get penalized why people spouting nonsense like "that is whack or "you're off your rocker" doesn't. Maybe you should learn about C, Javascript, web development, browsers, internet or anything before spouting nonsense. Okay? And maybe you learned to read rather than jumping to conclusions. Because every single response of yours has been a result of you misreading my comment. Good day.
    - dang 8y ago
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      - thankthunk 8y ago
        Oh fuc you.
      - thrwwy12345 8y ago
        A quick question. How proud are your parents that you moderate comments on a silly forum? Do they brag about your "career" during family gatherings on thanksgiving? Do you ever wake up and realize that you moderate comments for a living and get depressed/suicidal? Can you think of a more worthless existence that moderating comments? I commend you for not jumping in front of a train or jumping off a bridge. It takes real fortitude for someone so useless to keep going.

thankthunk 8y ago

> Wow, this comparison is totally whack Did you really say whack? > Javascript and C are both standardized and the former is the only option when using a web browser. Javascript isn't the only option. It is the most popular by far and hence the "de facto" language of the web. And javascript certainly isn't "standardized" in the sense you are writing. Do you know anything about web development, browser implementation of javascript and javascript itself? Javascript is no more "standardized" than SQL is standardized. Every RDBMs implements their own flavor of SQL just like browsers do with javascript. >It's never too late. Did I say it was too late? Of course I didn't. Maybe if you took a step back from your fanboyism and read... "It may change in the future, but bash is so entrenched, it's going to take an extraordinary use case for people to move from bash." > We managed to get people off of ANSI C and there's a similar amount of difference between ANSI C and C89 as there is between bash and sh. ANSI C and C89 are the same thing. ANSI C is just another name for C89... Sigh...

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
>Javascript isn't the only option. It is the most popular by far and hence the "de facto" language of the web. And javascript certainly isn't "standardized" in the sense you are writing. Do you know anything about web development, browser implementation of javascript and javascript itself? Javascript is no more "standardized" than SQL is standardized. Every RDBMs implements their own flavor of SQL just like browsers do with javascript. This is nonsense. I am very familiar with web browsers. Javascript is standardized as ECMAScript: https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ec... The "standard library" browsers implement is also standardized: https://www.w3.org/standards/ https://www.w3.org/standards/ You're off your rocker. >Did I say it was too late? Of course I didn't. Maybe if you took a step back from your fanboyism and read... Here is a direct quote from your comment: >It's a bit too late for that. Bash is pretty much the de facto default shell for linux. >ANSI C and C89 are the same thing. ANSI C is just another name for C89... Sigh... Derp, I meant K&R C or pre-ANSI C. My mistake.
- thankthunk 8y ago
  > This is nonsense. I am very familiar with web browsers. Javascript is standardized as ECMAScript: As I said, it is standardized as SQL is "standardized", but every browser implements their own flavor just like every database server. You aren't familiar with anything. That much is obvious. > You're off your rocker. It's funny how my comments are flagged but not yours when you've been spouting nonsense. > Here is a direct quote from your comment: That's right. It's a bit late to tell users to stop using bash. What's so confusing about that? My point is that a "strong use case" has to be introduced, not telling people to switch? Once again, if you learned to read rather than fanboying, you would have caught onto it. My point is that telling people to change isn't going to work when something is established. There has to be a serious use case to incentivize people to switch. Okay? No different than switching to powershell from cmd in windows or to python from perl in linux. >Derp, I meant K&R C or pre-ANSI C. My mistake. "Derp"? All your comments were "derp". But this being Hacker news, people providing factual and thorough responses get penalized why people spouting nonsense like "that is whack or "you're off your rocker" doesn't. Maybe you should learn about C, Javascript, web development, browsers, internet or anything before spouting nonsense. Okay? And maybe you learned to read rather than jumping to conclusions. Because every single response of yours has been a result of you misreading my comment. Good day.
  - dang 8y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Would you please not create accounts to do that with? If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - thankthunk 8y ago
      Oh fuc you.
    - thrwwy12345 8y ago
      A quick question. How proud are your parents that you moderate comments on a silly forum? Do they brag about your "career" during family gatherings on thanksgiving? Do you ever wake up and realize that you moderate comments for a living and get depressed/suicidal? Can you think of a more worthless existence that moderating comments? I commend you for not jumping in front of a train or jumping off a bridge. It takes real fortitude for someone so useless to keep going.