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Yes it seems like most people tend to not care about this kind of thing and assume that as long as it's a large company getting the short end of the stick, what

Yes it seems like most people tend to not care about this kind of thing and assume that as long as it's a large company getting the short end of the stick, whatever an individual person does is okay.

mgbmtl 8y ago
What they are doing is not particularly reasonable either. They have their reasons, we have ours. Tutorials like these help people who have more time than money. While I don't use or encourage the use of this kind of software, for some its their only option to get started.
- wilsonnb 8y ago
  I guess that's where we disagree. I think it's quite reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide on what terms you can use their product. I do sympathize with people who's only option for starting out with iOS or MacOS development is a hackintosh, though. In an ideal world that would not be the case.
  - hungerstrike 8y ago
    > I think it's quite reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide on what terms you can use their product. Fair-use trials have gone to the supreme court and the companies always lose. And I agree with them: Once you buy a product, it's yours to do what you want with. Anyway, even if you were correct and it was reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide what I can do with my personal property...they do plenty of other things wrong that I can justify "stealing" from them. Also, here's the EULA for my comment: By reading this comment, you must agree with me.
    - wilsonnb 8y ago
      I'm familiar with fair use as it relates to a defense against copyright infringement. I don't see how that relates to the issue at hand. Can you link me to information on some of the supreme court cases you are talking about?
- lloyd-christmas 8y ago
  There are plenty of reasons beyond money. Some people have multiple computers. I don't feel like being forced to buy apple hardware just to keep my home and work dev environments the same. My custom desktop dual boots windows and osx while I use a macbook for work. The few hours it took to set up is probably equal to one month of typing errors from swapping environments.

Yes it seems like most people tend to not care about this kind of thing and assume that as long as it's a large company getting the short end of the stick, whatever an individual person does is okay.

mgbmtl 8y ago

What they are doing is not particularly reasonable either. They have their reasons, we have ours. Tutorials like these help people who have more time than money. While I don't use or encourage the use of this kind of software, for some its their only option to get started.

wilsonnb 8y ago
I guess that's where we disagree. I think it's quite reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide on what terms you can use their product. I do sympathize with people who's only option for starting out with iOS or MacOS development is a hackintosh, though. In an ideal world that would not be the case.
- hungerstrike 8y ago
  > I think it's quite reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide on what terms you can use their product. Fair-use trials have gone to the supreme court and the companies always lose. And I agree with them: Once you buy a product, it's yours to do what you want with. Anyway, even if you were correct and it was reasonable for Apple and Microsoft to decide what I can do with my personal property...they do plenty of other things wrong that I can justify "stealing" from them. Also, here's the EULA for my comment: By reading this comment, you must agree with me.
  - wilsonnb 8y ago
    I'm familiar with fair use as it relates to a defense against copyright infringement. I don't see how that relates to the issue at hand. Can you link me to information on some of the supreme court cases you are talking about?
lloyd-christmas 8y ago
There are plenty of reasons beyond money. Some people have multiple computers. I don't feel like being forced to buy apple hardware just to keep my home and work dev environments the same. My custom desktop dual boots windows and osx while I use a macbook for work. The few hours it took to set up is probably equal to one month of typing errors from swapping environments.