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I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that cha

by ericb 16y ago

I submitted this because I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible. I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. So my oatmeal breakfast is bad now and I should go back to bacon and eggs? sigh. Has anyone tried this paleo business, and to what effect? edit: and more importantly, I should have added, is there science behind it? Shame on me.

cperciva 16y ago
I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible It isn't credible. The article claims that removing grains from your diet will prevent "Infertility, Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, vitiligo, narcolepsy, schizophrenia, autism, depression, huntington's, non-hodgkin's lymphoma, hypothyrodism, and porphyria". This would be pretty astonishing if it were true... especially given that two of these conditions (type 1 diabetes and autism) often develop before children start eating grains. Astonishing claims require astonishing evidence -- and the article provides absolutely no evidence at all.
- ericb 16y ago
  What I was more wondering if there is credible info elsewhere, like the book (I've never read it). Agreed the claims seem far fetched.
  - robchez 16y ago
    Check out the success stories at the http://www.marksdailyapple.com http://www.marksdailyapple.com forums . The site also has hundreds of articles on everything about the diet and lifestyle.
- noelchurchill 16y ago
  especially given that two of these conditions (type 1 diabetes and autism) often develop before children start eating grains Grains are a staple in most baby formulas. http://www.gerber.com/SupportedSitter/Products/Cereal_with_DHA.aspx?PLineId=528da3ed-2381-458a-9b63-8f5a3c73bb4e&PCatId=1ed6eb6b-4828-400b-be86-9c6491a530d5&PMilestoneId=bb42dc52-07fd-48a4-95c4-472cc12597eb# http://www.gerber.com/SupportedSitter/Products/Cereal_with_D...
- wvl 16y ago
  The article does not claim that at all. In fact, it says: Here is a short list of the problems associated with leaky gut and the autoimmune response
jat850 16y ago
I have tried paleo, lacto-paleo, low-carb, and some variants in between. Not because I put any great stock in them, but because I wanted to observe their effects on my body. In all cases, I did lose weight (I am not anywhere near overweight, I am actually in quite good shape, exercise regularly, and have a generally healthy diet to begin with). I understand this to be normal, especially in males, to lose weight fairly quickly, and then plateau out. Women experience mixed results, but it's generally a slower process for them to begin seeing a difference. From a health perspective, I honestly cannot put any stock into this article or any other proponents of these diets. The claims made in this article border on irresponsible, to the point where it sounds so much like any other miracle diet. There is NO way anyone should undertake any major change to their diet without good reasoning, and consulting a physician or qualified nutritionist. Your gym trainer is not a qualified source. Neither is a random website. Bodies are too unique to fall into some one-size-fits-all diet scheme for anyone.
anigbrowl 16y ago
It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some (<1%) people do have problems digesting gluten; it's called Coeliac (or Celiac) disease. My sister has it, along with several other members of the family. It takes some adjustment but there are many substitute foods available. It's more prevalent among people of Irish or Spanish ancestry, hardly exists in Asian people. So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We all need some mix of protein, carbohydrates, fiber, lipids and vitamins. too much or too little of any one thing is unhealthy; moderate exercise is good, moderate alcohol consumption is OK, smoking is quite unhealthy; you should check your blood pressure every so often. Obviously if you only crave one kind of food or some food that doesn't exist in nature something is a bit out of whack, but otherwise you should eat whatever gives you sufficient energy and trouble-free digestion. Blog posts like this are the mental equivalent of 'magic dietary supplements'; a masculinized hipster version of those vapid magazines at the checkout stand. 'Blank: the silent killer in your refrigerator'; 'The seven blanks every man/woman/parent/ needs to know'; 'what your [professional] won't tell you (so give me your money instead'; 'Blank: the new rules'....zzzzz. 90% of health and lifestyle articles are for people who can't or won't read science news. Get yourself a first-year nursing textbook on nutrition instead.
- beagle3 16y ago
  I discovered about 20 years ago that wheat products, and independently, yeast products (and especially bread which contains both) make me feel bad. Not throw-up bad or fever bad -- just bad, tired, puffed up. I've tried to get a diagnosis to no avail. Celiac was ruled out by lab testing, and as a result doctors started suggesting it might be a psychological problem. Me, I listen to my body. And re "nonsensical faddish bullshit", that describes practically all accepted nutritional science these days. The "calories in - calories out" lacks any scientific basis, and is disproved in just about every experiment -- yet it is somehow considered true. Personally, I consider this anecdotal theory just as valid as what your average nutritionist would tell you. (References: Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories"; Roberts "What makes food fattening"; Cabanac)
kareemm 16y ago
Dr Kurt Harris, MD writes a great blog about Paleo Nutrition that you may find useful: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started http://www.paleonu.com/get-started When it comes to nutrition, I'd also recommend foregoing science when studies aren't available (gasp) and, as InfinityX0 suggested, try different things and do what works best for you.
- tbrownaw 16y ago
  "Let's try it and see what happens" really is the core of science, all the complicated shit is just figuring out the most useful "it" to try and being extra certain that the "what happens" really was due to the "it" that you tried. Foregoing science would mean deciding whether it works based on what your astrologer or the most recent "expert" says, rather than whether it can actually be observed (apparently) working.

by ericb 16y ago

cperciva 16y ago

I have no idea what to make of it and no real idea if it is credible It isn't credible. The article claims that removing grains from your diet will prevent "Infertility, Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, vitiligo, narcolepsy, schizophrenia, autism, depression, huntington's, non-hodgkin's lymphoma, hypothyrodism, and porphyria". This would be pretty astonishing if it were true... especially given that two of these conditions (type 1 diabetes and autism) often develop before children start eating grains. Astonishing claims require astonishing evidence -- and the article provides absolutely no evidence at all.

ericb 16y ago
What I was more wondering if there is credible info elsewhere, like the book (I've never read it). Agreed the claims seem far fetched.
- robchez 16y ago
  Check out the success stories at the http://www.marksdailyapple.com http://www.marksdailyapple.com forums . The site also has hundreds of articles on everything about the diet and lifestyle.
noelchurchill 16y ago
especially given that two of these conditions (type 1 diabetes and autism) often develop before children start eating grains Grains are a staple in most baby formulas. http://www.gerber.com/SupportedSitter/Products/Cereal_with_DHA.aspx?PLineId=528da3ed-2381-458a-9b63-8f5a3c73bb4e&PCatId=1ed6eb6b-4828-400b-be86-9c6491a530d5&PMilestoneId=bb42dc52-07fd-48a4-95c4-472cc12597eb# http://www.gerber.com/SupportedSitter/Products/Cereal_with_D...
wvl 16y ago
The article does not claim that at all. In fact, it says: Here is a short list of the problems associated with leaky gut and the autoimmune response

jat850 16y ago

I have tried paleo, lacto-paleo, low-carb, and some variants in between. Not because I put any great stock in them, but because I wanted to observe their effects on my body. In all cases, I did lose weight (I am not anywhere near overweight, I am actually in quite good shape, exercise regularly, and have a generally healthy diet to begin with). I understand this to be normal, especially in males, to lose weight fairly quickly, and then plateau out. Women experience mixed results, but it's generally a slower process for them to begin seeing a difference. From a health perspective, I honestly cannot put any stock into this article or any other proponents of these diets. The claims made in this article border on irresponsible, to the point where it sounds so much like any other miracle diet. There is NO way anyone should undertake any major change to their diet without good reasoning, and consulting a physician or qualified nutritionist. Your gym trainer is not a qualified source. Neither is a random website. Bodies are too unique to fall into some one-size-fits-all diet scheme for anyone.

anigbrowl 16y ago

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some (<1%) people do have problems digesting gluten; it's called Coeliac (or Celiac) disease. My sister has it, along with several other members of the family. It takes some adjustment but there are many substitute foods available. It's more prevalent among people of Irish or Spanish ancestry, hardly exists in Asian people. So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We all need some mix of protein, carbohydrates, fiber, lipids and vitamins. too much or too little of any one thing is unhealthy; moderate exercise is good, moderate alcohol consumption is OK, smoking is quite unhealthy; you should check your blood pressure every so often. Obviously if you only crave one kind of food or some food that doesn't exist in nature something is a bit out of whack, but otherwise you should eat whatever gives you sufficient energy and trouble-free digestion. Blog posts like this are the mental equivalent of 'magic dietary supplements'; a masculinized hipster version of those vapid magazines at the checkout stand. 'Blank: the silent killer in your refrigerator'; 'The seven blanks every man/woman/parent/ needs to know'; 'what your [professional] won't tell you (so give me your money instead'; 'Blank: the new rules'....zzzzz. 90% of health and lifestyle articles are for people who can't or won't read science news. Get yourself a first-year nursing textbook on nutrition instead.

beagle3 16y ago
I discovered about 20 years ago that wheat products, and independently, yeast products (and especially bread which contains both) make me feel bad. Not throw-up bad or fever bad -- just bad, tired, puffed up. I've tried to get a diagnosis to no avail. Celiac was ruled out by lab testing, and as a result doctors started suggesting it might be a psychological problem. Me, I listen to my body. And re "nonsensical faddish bullshit", that describes practically all accepted nutritional science these days. The "calories in - calories out" lacks any scientific basis, and is disproved in just about every experiment -- yet it is somehow considered true. Personally, I consider this anecdotal theory just as valid as what your average nutritionist would tell you. (References: Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories"; Roberts "What makes food fattening"; Cabanac)

kareemm 16y ago

Dr Kurt Harris, MD writes a great blog about Paleo Nutrition that you may find useful: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started http://www.paleonu.com/get-started When it comes to nutrition, I'd also recommend foregoing science when studies aren't available (gasp) and, as InfinityX0 suggested, try different things and do what works best for you.

tbrownaw 16y ago
"Let's try it and see what happens" really is the core of science, all the complicated shit is just figuring out the most useful "it" to try and being extra certain that the "what happens" really was due to the "it" that you tried. Foregoing science would mean deciding whether it works based on what your astrologer or the most recent "expert" says, rather than whether it can actually be observed (apparently) working.