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> You could just not include any network capability, put them in a Faraday cage, and don't provide them with actuators capable of breaking out. Tada, a safe san

by taejo 8y ago

> You could just not include any network capability, put them in a Faraday cage, and don't provide them with actuators capable of breaking out. Tada, a safe sandbox. And remove all I/O capabilities to prevent them from convincing you to do their bidding.

announcerman 8y ago
What's the point of having an intelligence that cannot interact with the outside world though?
- newsbinator 8y ago
  Only torture
- taejo 8y ago
  If a super-intelligence can interact with you, it can manipulate you; removing some but not all ways it can interact with the outside world is only incremental security. On the other hand, as you say, if it can't interact with the world, there's no point. So we might as well give direct control over nuclear missiles from the start /s
akvadrako 8y ago
Do you supply it power? Then you it could induce feedback over the cable which triggers new programming in nearby electronics. Does it have any means of creating sparks/heat would could be used to make a hole in the faraday cage? What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those?
- newsbinator 8y ago
  If we're talking control over neutrinos and gravity waves and such, then it could potentially just re-write your neurons and make you want to help it.
- Thiez 8y ago
  > Do you supply it power? Then you it could induce feedback over the cable which triggers new programming in nearby electronics. We could feed it through power a little solar panel. Or just give it batteries and accept that it will run out of power eventually. There are plenty of ways to power a computer without allowing it to connect back. > Does it have any means of creating sparks/heat would could be used to make a hole in the faraday cage? Assuming it has no access to electronics other than the ones that it needs to function, I don't see how it could overheat one of those parts to over 1811 Kelvin (the melting point of iron) to destroy its Faraday cage without destroying itself. Or we could just cut the power when it tries to mess with the cage, or does anything else that we don't understand. > What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those? Why would we? We need very expensive detectors to even measure those. How much damage could it do using neutrinos and gravity waves?
  - akvadrako 8y ago
    > We could feed it through power a little solar panel. A solar panel seems 1-way, but it isn't totally. Fewer photons would be absorbed if say, higher resistance would be applied. By modulating that resistance, it could sent messages to the outside. > we could just cut the power when it tries to mess with the cage, or does anything else that we don't understand If we understand everything it's doing, it's not more intelligent than us. It must be incredibly stupid because we can't even understand a worm. >> What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those? > Why would we? Because otherwise it can establish 2-way communication with the outside world and possible nefarious actors.

by taejo 8y ago

announcerman 8y ago

What's the point of having an intelligence that cannot interact with the outside world though?

newsbinator 8y ago
Only torture
taejo 8y ago
If a super-intelligence can interact with you, it can manipulate you; removing some but not all ways it can interact with the outside world is only incremental security. On the other hand, as you say, if it can't interact with the world, there's no point. So we might as well give direct control over nuclear missiles from the start /s

akvadrako 8y ago

Do you supply it power? Then you it could induce feedback over the cable which triggers new programming in nearby electronics. Does it have any means of creating sparks/heat would could be used to make a hole in the faraday cage? What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those?

newsbinator 8y ago
If we're talking control over neutrinos and gravity waves and such, then it could potentially just re-write your neurons and make you want to help it.
Thiez 8y ago
> Do you supply it power? Then you it could induce feedback over the cable which triggers new programming in nearby electronics. We could feed it through power a little solar panel. Or just give it batteries and accept that it will run out of power eventually. There are plenty of ways to power a computer without allowing it to connect back. > Does it have any means of creating sparks/heat would could be used to make a hole in the faraday cage? Assuming it has no access to electronics other than the ones that it needs to function, I don't see how it could overheat one of those parts to over 1811 Kelvin (the melting point of iron) to destroy its Faraday cage without destroying itself. Or we could just cut the power when it tries to mess with the cage, or does anything else that we don't understand. > What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those? Why would we? We need very expensive detectors to even measure those. How much damage could it do using neutrinos and gravity waves?
- akvadrako 8y ago
  > We could feed it through power a little solar panel. A solar panel seems 1-way, but it isn't totally. Fewer photons would be absorbed if say, higher resistance would be applied. By modulating that resistance, it could sent messages to the outside. > we could just cut the power when it tries to mess with the cage, or does anything else that we don't understand If we understand everything it's doing, it's not more intelligent than us. It must be incredibly stupid because we can't even understand a worm. >> What about neutrinos or gravity waves? How would you stop those? > Why would we? Because otherwise it can establish 2-way communication with the outside world and possible nefarious actors.