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Actually the course on Egghead is terrible. The voice that is used to comment on the video is very badly recorded and I have no idea why they chose that voice f

by akuji1993 8y ago

Actually the course on Egghead is terrible. The voice that is used to comment on the video is very badly recorded and I have no idea why they chose that voice for a serious video for adults. Edit: Also fine to not have my opinion on this, but a lot of people shared my opinion, check the Egghead comment section. I would've loved to watch that video, with a more professional voice and walkthrough.

jwarren 8y ago
I completely understand that it could be more difficult for non-native speakers to understand. It's been sped up to match the cartoon style characters that he uses, and presumably for information density. I personally really enjoyed it, even if I did have to frequently pause the videos to recap something he had just said.
- akuji1993 8y ago
  See, isn't it a negative point for you, that you have to stop and revert the video to an earlier point frequently because of this. As someone who has learned a lot through video guides (which are my favorite medium to learn, other than just reading the docs), I think that talking slowly through complex problems is the better way to go, even if that means, the video will be longer.
  - jwarren 8y ago
    Tbh not really, I often stop to investigate stuff anyway. I personally prefer to have it at my pace and under my control than listen through someone laboriously explain something I know in great detail. But this is the great thing about the internet - there's so much information on how to make more of it, you'll definitely be able to find videos which are more to your taste. I recently watched Andrew Van Slaars series on the Maybe type: https://egghead.io/courses/safer-javascript-with-the-maybe-type https://egghead.io/courses/safer-javascript-with-the-maybe-t... - that was much more traditional and slower paced, and still very good. Maybe give that a shot if you found the Frisby stuff too frenetic.
  - ballenf 8y ago
    I'd much rather pause and rewind than have the opposite problem: bored at slow or repetitive presentation but not knowing if I can skip ahead and miss something new. Fast paced places the viewer in control. Too slow pace is like keeping them prisoner or feeding them via drip line.
teebot 8y ago
I actually really loved that. This is someone who doesn't take himself too seriously but treats the subject with rigor. Life is not a dress rehearsal.
always_good 8y ago
What's with this modern internet culture of calling everything "terrible" or "garbage" because it has some defects, even subjective ones? I've watched this gradual change in the users of my own forum I started over 10 years ago. People with no skin in the game think so highly of their opinion that they use it to discredit and dismiss something as terrible garbage. Seems related to the rise of self-entitlement culture: In this case, a free video series is terrible because you didn't like the voice.
- akuji1993 8y ago
  In my opinion it's more related to the fact, that people are actually creating very good content, so if somebody pushes something that is way under that value, you recognize and move away from it. I've watched tutorials on functional programming that took themselves seriously and used a normal, human voice to bring their point across and sorry, I consider those a lot better than this.
  - always_good 8y ago
    But notice that you didn't link to any nor provide anything beyond "Actually the course on Egghead is terrible" when someone else added value to the world by linking to the free video courses. Imagine if your approach, instead of knee-jerk negativity and dismissal, was to enumerate those videos you thought were better if your intention was actually to communicate that you've seen better ones. That would've been a great contribution.
  - ballenf 8y ago
    The interplay between content and presentation is a symbiotic relationship where either side can drag down the whole. I loved the content of the Frisby egghead course, but have to admit that I had trouble finishing it because the presentation became tiresome for me. I also felt like I couldn't listen to it within earshot (or view) of anyone for fear of looking like a child watching cartoons. There's no point in attacking the course based on this aspect of its presentation. If it were super polished but made a bunch of mistakes, that's when you need to shout loudly to anyone you care about "don't watch that course! It's full of mistakes!"
modernerd 8y ago
I _love_ the videos on the Professor Frisbee Egghead course. I learned a lot from the course content and the classroom stop-motion animations were refreshing; it kept me watching with a smile on my face. It's nice to have some personality and silliness in an online classroom environment; very little differentiates the various JS teaching sites other than their media players and subject matter coverage right now. Daniel Shiffman's unique style also breaks the “person tonelessly narrating to occasional cursor movements over a screencap” standard that lots of online courses have settled into, and is similarly engaging as a result: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvjgXvBlbQiydffZU7m1_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvjgXvBlbQiydffZU7m1_aw
- ageofwant 8y ago
  I really enjoyed this series by Socratica: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi01XoE8jYohWFPpC17Z-wWhPOSuh8Er- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi01XoE8jYohWFPpC17Z-... Just for entertainment value, specifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfS2H1y6tzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfS2H1y6tzQ
aarpmcgee 8y ago
The voice effect wasn’t my cup of tea either. Found it distracting and difficult to understand, so I skipped the series.
ageofwant 8y ago
The course on Egghead is universally excellent and beyond reproach, any suggestion otherwise can be dismissed with prejudice. May I suggest a perspective modification? I believe you can start your journey to recovery with a healthy doze of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUes6y2b--0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUes6y2b--0, more of the same, twice a day, complete the course, or until the pressure in your loins subside.
sctb 8y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17072865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17072865 and marked it off-topic.
- akuji1993 8y ago
  If you mean, you didn't like the opinion, you can just say that, instead of calling it off-topic

jwarren 8y ago

I completely understand that it could be more difficult for non-native speakers to understand. It's been sped up to match the cartoon style characters that he uses, and presumably for information density. I personally really enjoyed it, even if I did have to frequently pause the videos to recap something he had just said.

akuji1993 8y ago
See, isn't it a negative point for you, that you have to stop and revert the video to an earlier point frequently because of this. As someone who has learned a lot through video guides (which are my favorite medium to learn, other than just reading the docs), I think that talking slowly through complex problems is the better way to go, even if that means, the video will be longer.
- jwarren 8y ago
  Tbh not really, I often stop to investigate stuff anyway. I personally prefer to have it at my pace and under my control than listen through someone laboriously explain something I know in great detail. But this is the great thing about the internet - there's so much information on how to make more of it, you'll definitely be able to find videos which are more to your taste. I recently watched Andrew Van Slaars series on the Maybe type: https://egghead.io/courses/safer-javascript-with-the-maybe-type https://egghead.io/courses/safer-javascript-with-the-maybe-t... - that was much more traditional and slower paced, and still very good. Maybe give that a shot if you found the Frisby stuff too frenetic.
- ballenf 8y ago
  I'd much rather pause and rewind than have the opposite problem: bored at slow or repetitive presentation but not knowing if I can skip ahead and miss something new. Fast paced places the viewer in control. Too slow pace is like keeping them prisoner or feeding them via drip line.

teebot 8y ago

I actually really loved that. This is someone who doesn't take himself too seriously but treats the subject with rigor. Life is not a dress rehearsal.

always_good 8y ago

What's with this modern internet culture of calling everything "terrible" or "garbage" because it has some defects, even subjective ones? I've watched this gradual change in the users of my own forum I started over 10 years ago. People with no skin in the game think so highly of their opinion that they use it to discredit and dismiss something as terrible garbage. Seems related to the rise of self-entitlement culture: In this case, a free video series is terrible because you didn't like the voice.

akuji1993 8y ago
In my opinion it's more related to the fact, that people are actually creating very good content, so if somebody pushes something that is way under that value, you recognize and move away from it. I've watched tutorials on functional programming that took themselves seriously and used a normal, human voice to bring their point across and sorry, I consider those a lot better than this.
- always_good 8y ago
  But notice that you didn't link to any nor provide anything beyond "Actually the course on Egghead is terrible" when someone else added value to the world by linking to the free video courses. Imagine if your approach, instead of knee-jerk negativity and dismissal, was to enumerate those videos you thought were better if your intention was actually to communicate that you've seen better ones. That would've been a great contribution.
- ballenf 8y ago
  The interplay between content and presentation is a symbiotic relationship where either side can drag down the whole. I loved the content of the Frisby egghead course, but have to admit that I had trouble finishing it because the presentation became tiresome for me. I also felt like I couldn't listen to it within earshot (or view) of anyone for fear of looking like a child watching cartoons. There's no point in attacking the course based on this aspect of its presentation. If it were super polished but made a bunch of mistakes, that's when you need to shout loudly to anyone you care about "don't watch that course! It's full of mistakes!"

modernerd 8y ago

I _love_ the videos on the Professor Frisbee Egghead course. I learned a lot from the course content and the classroom stop-motion animations were refreshing; it kept me watching with a smile on my face. It's nice to have some personality and silliness in an online classroom environment; very little differentiates the various JS teaching sites other than their media players and subject matter coverage right now. Daniel Shiffman's unique style also breaks the “person tonelessly narrating to occasional cursor movements over a screencap” standard that lots of online courses have settled into, and is similarly engaging as a result: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvjgXvBlbQiydffZU7m1_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvjgXvBlbQiydffZU7m1_aw

ageofwant 8y ago
I really enjoyed this series by Socratica: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi01XoE8jYohWFPpC17Z-wWhPOSuh8Er- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLi01XoE8jYohWFPpC17Z-... Just for entertainment value, specifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfS2H1y6tzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfS2H1y6tzQ

aarpmcgee 8y ago

The voice effect wasn’t my cup of tea either. Found it distracting and difficult to understand, so I skipped the series.

ageofwant 8y ago

The course on Egghead is universally excellent and beyond reproach, any suggestion otherwise can be dismissed with prejudice. May I suggest a perspective modification? I believe you can start your journey to recovery with a healthy doze of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUes6y2b--0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUes6y2b--0, more of the same, twice a day, complete the course, or until the pressure in your loins subside.

sctb 8y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17072865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17072865 and marked it off-topic.

akuji1993 8y ago
If you mean, you didn't like the opinion, you can just say that, instead of calling it off-topic