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I think it is important to curate it, but I applaud the idea. I would say; only allow people with over a certain karma score on HN (>1000)? That way you benefit
by tluyben2 9y ago
I think it is important to curate it, but I applaud the idea. I would say; only allow people with over a certain karma score on HN (>1000)? That way you benefit from the quite strict moderation here.
But indeed I remember the days on vBulletin forums; all my remarks against ‘you cannot make friends over 30’ that I uttered here come from there: most my current friends and one of my best friends I met on forums. It just worked well.
- jgalentine007 9y agoDude, I've been on reddit since 2006 and I don't even have 1000 karma. Don't exclude the lurkers! (Who are too busy programming to post.)
- tluyben2 9y agoMaybe you are right but how to prevent it from becoming a sales/recruitement/troll/showoff fest again?
- Yptur 9y agoI think that's what mods are for. At least back in the day that's how it worked. Of course some mods will abuse their powers and just do stupid stuff but in the end that's part of what made it so fun. You had to iterate through dozens of forums and hope that yours had a fighting chance because the mods did their job properly.
- AstralStorm 9y agoNormal forums have categories for these things. Maybe except trolling.
- dx034 9y agoExactly that. I would explicitly allow it, esp since most have some interest in some of the topics. Even off-topic chat can be fine if it's in an extra category. The only thing to avoid is pure spam but with some threshold to sign up (e.g. verification) that can be kept relatively low.
- itchynosedev 9y agoNow it sounds more like an elitist club. Weren’t most of forums free for all?
- sincerely 9y agomost, but one of the best ("most influential on internet culture", maybe?) had a 10$ entry fee
- robotresearcher 9y agoFree for a heavily selected group of people with internet access and specialist knowledge of how to find stuff. So: elitist in a sense of resources weighted by interest.
- tluyben2 9y agoYes, but there were only a few people around and they were tech savvy and often entrepreneural especially in tech forums... Now when a forum gets any sort of uptake, it is jumped on by marketers and other spammers. So elitist, I guess but it was automatically back then I guess.
- CM30 9y agoGood moderation feels like a better solution than invites or elitism here. Have the forum open to anyone, but be ruthless when it comes to removing low quality content or marketing spam in any form. Maybe even set things like signature links or certain aspects of the post formatting to be only accessible to those with 5 or more posts, and have any first post with a link in sent for moderator approval. Human moderation always wins out over technical solutions and elitism.
- viridian 9y agoNot to mention the social shaming of people trying to sell things is always pretty scathing on forums. In general they tended to promote good content by liberal application of both the carrot and the stick. No one wants their product associated with a 17 page thread about how product X is sold by a bunch of annoying spammers, oh and by the way for anyone interested, turns out CEO of the company shilling this product has a kink.com account looking for a strong domme in the SF area to punish him :thinking_emoji:
- dchuk 9y agoI think to kick things off it will be best to allow anyone to sign up and potentially lock it down in the future if things get out of hand. Usually forums have features like limiting new thread creation to users with enough karma/comments, so that can help a bit in keeping quality up.
- int0x80 9y agoA good thing of forums is that you get everything as is. As raw as it gets. If you don't like something or someone you just block it. You can also have privileged threads/subforums that are read only if you don't meet some requierments. You can even have an option to only show comments/posts for users with karma > N, if thats what you want.
- dx034 9y agoI wouldn't set the karma threshold that high. If you want to avoid spammers, a threshold of 50-100 is likely enough. That excludes any cheap spamming attempts.