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I would again push back on that. He did introduce a class of devices/products but Apple and Computational machines are not two concepts I associate. The Windo

I would again push back on that. He did introduce a class of devices/products but Apple and Computational machines are not two concepts I associate. The Windows OS has done more. My point being... yes he's a genius but in terms of Marketing, Business and seeing where the hockey puck is going. He excelled at selling to desires, but look at the 'real computers' Apple has produced in recent years.

abakker 8y ago
Dude...that sounds a lot like a "no true scotsman" line of argument. if by "real computers" you mean devices for programmers to train ML models, then yeah, Apple is pretty lacking, if by "real computers" you mean devices which operate end-user facing software, well, the spectrum widens enough to show you why Apple is approaching a trillion dollar market cap. put another way, a lot of the _reason_ that companies like facebook and google are doing any computation in the first place is because of the level of data and interaction that people are doing on devices made by apple. You are welcome to make a distinction between a Cray and a MacBook pro, bu it is kind of pedantic.
- radiorental 8y ago
  If sending emails and browsing Facebook is 'computing' then you're right. If being able to create the 'end use software' on these devices, then again you're right. If these devices are little more than portable web browsers, computing ?
TheLegace 8y ago
I shared the same ignorant view until I saw with my eyes what really happened. Everything done in the early 2000s was done by Apple first(and for the most part really well) as much as I hate to admit that. All Windows did was copy much of the functionality(and did a terrible job at it). If you go through the Keynotes during Steve Jobs return to Apple from 1999-2002 you can see WiFi coming out at least 1 year before anyone, high quality, performing laptops with good battery life and WiFi before anyone. Take a look at the OS X Aqua interface[1](which hasn't changed much even to this day) coming out 1 year before even XP. Lets not even forget the failure of Vista. It took almost a decade for something even close to come out on Windows. Spend hours and hours going through the unedited version of history and judge for yourself. You can see the birth of many industries(Youtube-Mac Streaming, Google Search - Sherlock) in those keynotes and its refreshing to see it done so well. I'm not saying Jobs succeeded at all these things, but he definitely saw these things way way before anyone. [1]https://youtu.be/auXc0tgdJSo?t=8m43s https://youtu.be/auXc0tgdJSo?t=8m43s

abakker 8y ago

Dude...that sounds a lot like a "no true scotsman" line of argument. if by "real computers" you mean devices for programmers to train ML models, then yeah, Apple is pretty lacking, if by "real computers" you mean devices which operate end-user facing software, well, the spectrum widens enough to show you why Apple is approaching a trillion dollar market cap. put another way, a lot of the _reason_ that companies like facebook and google are doing any computation in the first place is because of the level of data and interaction that people are doing on devices made by apple. You are welcome to make a distinction between a Cray and a MacBook pro, bu it is kind of pedantic.

radiorental 8y ago
If sending emails and browsing Facebook is 'computing' then you're right. If being able to create the 'end use software' on these devices, then again you're right. If these devices are little more than portable web browsers, computing ?

TheLegace 8y ago

I shared the same ignorant view until I saw with my eyes what really happened. Everything done in the early 2000s was done by Apple first(and for the most part really well) as much as I hate to admit that. All Windows did was copy much of the functionality(and did a terrible job at it). If you go through the Keynotes during Steve Jobs return to Apple from 1999-2002 you can see WiFi coming out at least 1 year before anyone, high quality, performing laptops with good battery life and WiFi before anyone. Take a look at the OS X Aqua interface[1](which hasn't changed much even to this day) coming out 1 year before even XP. Lets not even forget the failure of Vista. It took almost a decade for something even close to come out on Windows. Spend hours and hours going through the unedited version of history and judge for yourself. You can see the birth of many industries(Youtube-Mac Streaming, Google Search - Sherlock) in those keynotes and its refreshing to see it done so well. I'm not saying Jobs succeeded at all these things, but he definitely saw these things way way before anyone. [1]https://youtu.be/auXc0tgdJSo?t=8m43s https://youtu.be/auXc0tgdJSo?t=8m43s