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>I would love a popular movie (maybe even one for kids) where at some point through the movie we get to see things from the "bad guy"'s point of view... Has so

>I would love a popular movie (maybe even one for kids) where at some point through the movie we get to see things from the "bad guy"'s point of view... Has society gotten so corrupt that we can't see that almost all the "good guys" are total villains compared to the moral and ethical norms from even as recent as 30 years ago?

dpark 8y ago
Apparently, because I don’t know what you’re talking about. 30 years ago we were celebrating a vigilante who threw a criminal off a building in revenge for the death of his parents. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  Yes, there has been and always will be anti-heroes. The difference is that instead of that being the exception, it's now the rule.
  - dpark 8y ago
    I don’t agree that everyone is an anti hero now, but regardless the complexity is a sign of the medium maturing.
elboru 8y ago
Would you mind sharing an example?
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  A-Team, GI-Joe, Rocky, heck, even Terminator 2 (the machine) from the early 90s tried really hard not to kill people. Go back further, and the good guy "sacrificed" himself or his own interests for the benefit of others. Edit: Rocky isn't a great example, but leaving it in because at least it was inspiring to try and rise above his place in life honestly.
Spare_account 8y ago
This sounds like rose-tinted glasses. Can you expand upon it with some examples of who you had in mind when you wrote the comment?
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  Being good is evidently boring... I added a few examples in another comment. Even Rambo sacrificed his own safety and freedom to help rescue POWs. Modern day heroes are all a bunch of whining self-centered children. Just go watch any super hero movie today for a good example of that. It's almost a badge of honor to be morally ambiguous. Compare a list of protaganists, how many are anti-heros? Do we even have any real good guys in movies and tv these days? Even Superman has been turned into a murderer for this generation. A few examples from popular TV: Walking Dead: everyone is a murderer. Murder is justified consistently. Billions: It's hard to know who to root for, they are all rotten. The righteous people are the "bad guys" Scrubs: All the characters are morally bankrupt (compared to 30 years before it's time) Ironman: A selfish rich asshole. Batman: (ok, he was always an anti-hero from day 1) Deadpool: Do I need to explain this one? Wicked: A play about how the evil witch is misunderstood. The Shield, The Wire, modern Star Trek vs old Star Trek, the list is too long... There has always been corruptions, lack of morals. That's not my issue, it's that today, there simply isn't even close to a minority of actual real main protagonists that are selfless. I think people find good people trying to do what is right just boring these days. /rant
  - dpark 8y ago
    I think what you’re seeing is characters not being so one-dimensional. You harken back to simplistic characters who have no depth (A-Team, G I Joe, Rocky) and dismiss more complex characters (many of which are not actually new) for not portraying simplistic morality. But this isn’t moral bankruptcy. Real people are complex and portraying hero’s so idealistically makes them less relatable and frankly, yes, boring. You call Iron Man a selfish, rich asshole. But this is the character who shut down his defense contracts worth billions because he found out that his weapons weren’t being used the way he thought. He also sided with the UN (or whatever equivalent) against his team, in deference to traditional hierarchical authority. If anything, his morals are simpler than many other modern characters. He’s just not as flat as the Superman written for Reeves.

dpark 8y ago

Apparently, because I don’t know what you’re talking about. 30 years ago we were celebrating a vigilante who threw a criminal off a building in revenge for the death of his parents. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)

RobertRoberts 8y ago
Yes, there has been and always will be anti-heroes. The difference is that instead of that being the exception, it's now the rule.
- dpark 8y ago
  I don’t agree that everyone is an anti hero now, but regardless the complexity is a sign of the medium maturing.

elboru 8y ago

Would you mind sharing an example?

RobertRoberts 8y ago
A-Team, GI-Joe, Rocky, heck, even Terminator 2 (the machine) from the early 90s tried really hard not to kill people. Go back further, and the good guy "sacrificed" himself or his own interests for the benefit of others. Edit: Rocky isn't a great example, but leaving it in because at least it was inspiring to try and rise above his place in life honestly.

Spare_account 8y ago

This sounds like rose-tinted glasses. Can you expand upon it with some examples of who you had in mind when you wrote the comment?

RobertRoberts 8y ago
Being good is evidently boring... I added a few examples in another comment. Even Rambo sacrificed his own safety and freedom to help rescue POWs. Modern day heroes are all a bunch of whining self-centered children. Just go watch any super hero movie today for a good example of that. It's almost a badge of honor to be morally ambiguous. Compare a list of protaganists, how many are anti-heros? Do we even have any real good guys in movies and tv these days? Even Superman has been turned into a murderer for this generation. A few examples from popular TV: Walking Dead: everyone is a murderer. Murder is justified consistently. Billions: It's hard to know who to root for, they are all rotten. The righteous people are the "bad guys" Scrubs: All the characters are morally bankrupt (compared to 30 years before it's time) Ironman: A selfish rich asshole. Batman: (ok, he was always an anti-hero from day 1) Deadpool: Do I need to explain this one? Wicked: A play about how the evil witch is misunderstood. The Shield, The Wire, modern Star Trek vs old Star Trek, the list is too long... There has always been corruptions, lack of morals. That's not my issue, it's that today, there simply isn't even close to a minority of actual real main protagonists that are selfless. I think people find good people trying to do what is right just boring these days. /rant
- dpark 8y ago
  I think what you’re seeing is characters not being so one-dimensional. You harken back to simplistic characters who have no depth (A-Team, G I Joe, Rocky) and dismiss more complex characters (many of which are not actually new) for not portraying simplistic morality. But this isn’t moral bankruptcy. Real people are complex and portraying hero’s so idealistically makes them less relatable and frankly, yes, boring. You call Iron Man a selfish, rich asshole. But this is the character who shut down his defense contracts worth billions because he found out that his weapons weren’t being used the way he thought. He also sided with the UN (or whatever equivalent) against his team, in deference to traditional hierarchical authority. If anything, his morals are simpler than many other modern characters. He’s just not as flat as the Superman written for Reeves.