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Both Captain America: Civil War and Infinity War are like that. I remember hearing shouting matches as I left Civil War about who was right, who was on the sid

by aleeds 8y ago

Both Captain America: Civil War and Infinity War are like that. I remember hearing shouting matches as I left Civil War about who was right, who was on the side of good. And Infinity War leaves a lot of people with a sense that maybe Thanos wasn't so bad.

mirceal 8y ago
Yeah. Thanos had a vision and executed on it. Depending on who tells the story one could easily see him as the hero.
- Jach 8y ago
  Even if you agree with him that population control is needed, I don't see how you wouldn't criticize him harshly on his method both on the technical grounds of being ineffective and on various moral grounds. His comic-book motivation of trying to impress a certain lady is much more relateable for the particular action he took.
  - phaedrus 8y ago
    I saw a fan theory suggested on Reddit that it would make more sense if population control was also a means to an end for Thanos, and that Thanos's ultimate reason for doing what he does was to stave off the arrival of Galactus.
    - Jach 8y ago
      Still makes no sense -- universal replacement rate is probably > 2, almost certainly now with so many deaths + resources freed up, the overall population will be back to its pre-snap number in a few solar years tops (ed: ok maybe longer, on earth it took ~200 years for Europeans to recover from the plague, but that's just earth and just Europeans). Would have been better to target fertility rates, or kill more females than males and more asexually reproducing sentients than non.
      - gambiting 8y ago
        Or you know....if we're arguing about potential solutions to unhappiness in the universe when the infinity gauntlet literally allows the wearer to do anything they desire, then why not just give everyone limitless resources, or just make everyone permanently happy, or eliminate greed or fear or violence. I still like the idea of wiping half of life in the entire universe though, it works well from the narrative perspective.
  - mirceal 8y ago
    I said he had a vision, not that the vision made sense
Can_Not 8y ago
I felt like Batman vs Superman had at least a little bit of that.
acjohnson55 8y ago
Especially within the discourse of black folks, there is a lively debate on the extent to which Killmonger is a villain in Black Panther. My biggest criticism of the movie is that they could have written it to make it even more ambiguous, by making Killmonger less openly ruthless. Same goes for the much maligned Marvel's Inhumans, where it's not clear exactly why the Royal Family is deserving of any sympathy.

by aleeds 8y ago

mirceal 8y ago

Yeah. Thanos had a vision and executed on it. Depending on who tells the story one could easily see him as the hero.

Jach 8y ago
Even if you agree with him that population control is needed, I don't see how you wouldn't criticize him harshly on his method both on the technical grounds of being ineffective and on various moral grounds. His comic-book motivation of trying to impress a certain lady is much more relateable for the particular action he took.
- phaedrus 8y ago
  I saw a fan theory suggested on Reddit that it would make more sense if population control was also a means to an end for Thanos, and that Thanos's ultimate reason for doing what he does was to stave off the arrival of Galactus.
  - Jach 8y ago
    Still makes no sense -- universal replacement rate is probably > 2, almost certainly now with so many deaths + resources freed up, the overall population will be back to its pre-snap number in a few solar years tops (ed: ok maybe longer, on earth it took ~200 years for Europeans to recover from the plague, but that's just earth and just Europeans). Would have been better to target fertility rates, or kill more females than males and more asexually reproducing sentients than non.
    - gambiting 8y ago
      Or you know....if we're arguing about potential solutions to unhappiness in the universe when the infinity gauntlet literally allows the wearer to do anything they desire, then why not just give everyone limitless resources, or just make everyone permanently happy, or eliminate greed or fear or violence. I still like the idea of wiping half of life in the entire universe though, it works well from the narrative perspective.
- mirceal 8y ago
  I said he had a vision, not that the vision made sense

Can_Not 8y ago

I felt like Batman vs Superman had at least a little bit of that.

acjohnson55 8y ago

Especially within the discourse of black folks, there is a lively debate on the extent to which Killmonger is a villain in Black Panther. My biggest criticism of the movie is that they could have written it to make it even more ambiguous, by making Killmonger less openly ruthless. Same goes for the much maligned Marvel's Inhumans, where it's not clear exactly why the Royal Family is deserving of any sympathy.