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> Disney is directly responsible for strongly lobbying to make it last longer. And the hacker scene is directly respondible for not developing darknet software

> Disney is directly responsible for strongly lobbying to make it last longer. And the hacker scene is directly respondible for not developing darknet software with which one can circumvent these copyright restrictions.

vetinari 8y ago
Just like with DRM, technology is not a solution to a social problem. Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place, where you will spend several years. To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software.
- wolfgke 8y ago
  > Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place That is why I wrote "darknet software". If the software cannot ensure anonymity, you get this kind of problem. > To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software. Sure, but until a solution appears, better create technology and software that makes civil disobedience easy.
  - vetinari 8y ago
    In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe. That will get you much further (see? the market is not interested at all, why do they need that law?), than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws.
    - wolfgke 8y ago
      > In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe. I already do, so to me this is nothing even worth talking about. :-) The problem rather lies, for example, in the "cultural" references that people use all the time. > than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws. I tell you: You can do what you want - they will make you a victim in any case. In this sense I do not just ignore their movies etc., but also ignore their rights to have a right to censor (copyright), too. I am against violence, so I am against copyright, too.
phaus 8y ago
So this group of people is morally obligated to risk prosecution and civil lawsuits to help strangers break laws just because we don't agree with them?
- wolfgke 8y ago
  "There is no justice in following unjust laws." Aaron Swartz (1986-2013)
  - aje403 8y ago
    You're very entitled. Go do it yourself or stop crying about what other people should do
    - wolfgke 8y ago
      > Go do it yourself Who says that I do not work on such things already? (just perhaps in a somehwat different way than you might spontanously have in the back of your mind).
      - aje403 8y ago
        I have nothing on my mind in particular, I just like to call out lazy entitled people who think that others should do things they want for them, be it on the internet or in person
  - phaus 8y ago
    Exactly how much justice was there in Aaron's not having followed the unjust laws? He was a kind, brilliant person, barely out of childhood, and his life has come to an end. I admire what he did and I find the way he was treated criminal and deplorable. However, Its difficult to blame developers for not wanting to go to prison and/or be harassed to death.
macintux 8y ago
How in the world does media theft help alleviate the concern that Disney owns our culture? Breaking DRM won’t help Warner Brothers create a Mickey Mouse (or any other) universe to compete.

vetinari 8y ago

Just like with DRM, technology is not a solution to a social problem. Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place, where you will spend several years. To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software.

wolfgke 8y ago
> Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place That is why I wrote "darknet software". If the software cannot ensure anonymity, you get this kind of problem. > To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software. Sure, but until a solution appears, better create technology and software that makes civil disobedience easy.
- vetinari 8y ago
  In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe. That will get you much further (see? the market is not interested at all, why do they need that law?), than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws.
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe. I already do, so to me this is nothing even worth talking about. :-) The problem rather lies, for example, in the "cultural" references that people use all the time. > than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws. I tell you: You can do what you want - they will make you a victim in any case. In this sense I do not just ignore their movies etc., but also ignore their rights to have a right to censor (copyright), too. I am against violence, so I am against copyright, too.

phaus 8y ago

So this group of people is morally obligated to risk prosecution and civil lawsuits to help strangers break laws just because we don't agree with them?

wolfgke 8y ago
"There is no justice in following unjust laws." Aaron Swartz (1986-2013)
- aje403 8y ago
  You're very entitled. Go do it yourself or stop crying about what other people should do
  - wolfgke 8y ago
    > Go do it yourself Who says that I do not work on such things already? (just perhaps in a somehwat different way than you might spontanously have in the back of your mind).
    - aje403 8y ago
      I have nothing on my mind in particular, I just like to call out lazy entitled people who think that others should do things they want for them, be it on the internet or in person
- phaus 8y ago
  Exactly how much justice was there in Aaron's not having followed the unjust laws? He was a kind, brilliant person, barely out of childhood, and his life has come to an end. I admire what he did and I find the way he was treated criminal and deplorable. However, Its difficult to blame developers for not wanting to go to prison and/or be harassed to death.

macintux 8y ago

How in the world does media theft help alleviate the concern that Disney owns our culture? Breaking DRM won’t help Warner Brothers create a Mickey Mouse (or any other) universe to compete.