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They don't have to hand back the full rights, just give Ron enough rights to develop a new game. They could also keep an option to expand on Ron's work for anyt

They don't have to hand back the full rights, just give Ron enough rights to develop a new game. They could also keep an option to expand on Ron's work for anything Monkey Island-y later on down the line. It would be low risk for Disney to do this, as they could basically get a Monkey Island reboot, for free.

dingaling 8y ago
That would seem to be a sensible workaround. It's not a case of handing or selling back rights, as I understand it. The games were developed as works-for-hire under contract to LucasArts. Therefore Ron Gilbert didn't own the rights once completed.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  "So this idea came out from your head, and completely made by you, but because you took some money, its like your act of creation never happened. We will deprive you of your very minds creativity and create holes in which you can never discuss again." .... And here I thought software and content piracy was unethical.
  - lozenge 8y ago
    Work for hire is a globally recognised principle of copyright law. How else could it possibly work?
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      > Work for hire is a globally recognised principle of copyright law. Yes, that idea was made by Disney and similar orgs. And then the USA exported those laws to other nations. > How else could it possibly work? The ideas are innately in a person's head. Simply put, the licensure of a creation could travel around with whomever hires the person. But in reality, I'm allowed to criticize a broken system without having to come up with a "better" system. Just an FYI.
  - dingaling 8y ago
    The counterpoint being that without the money provided by the contractee, the individual with the idea in his head may not ever reify that concept. None of the IP of commercial software I've written resides with me. I don't feel deprived of it though.
seba_dos1 8y ago
Provided that Ron would want to do it in such scenario at all.
jamesrcole 8y ago
Ron has said "The only way I would or could make another Monkey Island is if I owned the IP." https://grumpygamer.com/if_i_made_another_monkeyisland https://grumpygamer.com/if_i_made_another_monkeyisland
- wiz21c 8y ago
  I guess M. Gilbert deliberately chosen to work for money, chosen to sell its IP to Disney or some publisher. So basically, his choices determine the current situation. We should respect that.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    He never owned the IP in the first place.

dingaling 8y ago

That would seem to be a sensible workaround. It's not a case of handing or selling back rights, as I understand it. The games were developed as works-for-hire under contract to LucasArts. Therefore Ron Gilbert didn't own the rights once completed.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
"So this idea came out from your head, and completely made by you, but because you took some money, its like your act of creation never happened. We will deprive you of your very minds creativity and create holes in which you can never discuss again." .... And here I thought software and content piracy was unethical.
- lozenge 8y ago
  Work for hire is a globally recognised principle of copyright law. How else could it possibly work?
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    > Work for hire is a globally recognised principle of copyright law. Yes, that idea was made by Disney and similar orgs. And then the USA exported those laws to other nations. > How else could it possibly work? The ideas are innately in a person's head. Simply put, the licensure of a creation could travel around with whomever hires the person. But in reality, I'm allowed to criticize a broken system without having to come up with a "better" system. Just an FYI.
- dingaling 8y ago
  The counterpoint being that without the money provided by the contractee, the individual with the idea in his head may not ever reify that concept. None of the IP of commercial software I've written resides with me. I don't feel deprived of it though.

seba_dos1 8y ago

Provided that Ron would want to do it in such scenario at all.

jamesrcole 8y ago

Ron has said "The only way I would or could make another Monkey Island is if I owned the IP." https://grumpygamer.com/if_i_made_another_monkeyisland https://grumpygamer.com/if_i_made_another_monkeyisland

wiz21c 8y ago
I guess M. Gilbert deliberately chosen to work for money, chosen to sell its IP to Disney or some publisher. So basically, his choices determine the current situation. We should respect that.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  He never owned the IP in the first place.