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> Desktop publishing disrupted the idea of Copyright as > Intellectual Property. The Internet obliterated it. Must be some parallel universe. Or I totally mi

by rimliu 8y ago

> Desktop publishing disrupted the idea of Copyright as > Intellectual Property. The Internet obliterated it. Must be some parallel universe. Or I totally misunderstood you. Are you talking about torrents? The bad news is: basic income will not cover costs of producing GoT or Breaking Bad. > Open Source is a superior alternative to Capitalism. What does this even mean? > People cooperate on a project instead of capitalist organizations competing and trying to extract > rents. As already pointed out, in many (most?) cases these projects are sponsored by capitalist organizations. > In both cases, quality goes up but in the open source case, costs stay near zero the whole time. It would be nice if that were true.

saalweachter 8y ago
I mean, strictly speaking the same group of people producing GoT now could continue to do it voluntarily while living off basic income, but you have to include the suppliers as well as the people directly working on the show in that equation. Once your consider the full chain, you're probably looking at something like 2000+ people working full time to make Game of Thrones. How do you organize and incentivize them when there is no material reward for their labor? Right now the incentive is "we'll give you money" and the system of governance is "the person who gives you money tells you want to do". That second part is as much the problem as the first; if you had 2000 people making GoT as a labor of love, what happens when there is a schism over how it should be adapted?
- EGreg 8y ago
  I see it moving more in the direction of collaboration. For example, Britannica was done in the way you say, while Wikipedia is a mashup of many edits by many people, and governance is done less by money and more by expertise and consensus of people with reputation. Who says Game of Thrones needs to be done this way? We can always have capitalist projects. However, they have a totally different flavor. They suck you in, make you watch more and more, just like fb so you can make them money. Who needs these things, anyway? I for example didn’t have TV since grad school. Sure the high budget shows are cool but they aren’t essential to life. I would even say Copyright can stat but Patents should go. Finding a life saving drug is way more major than producing a blockbuster movie. Not to mention that a lot of stuff can now be automated, eg music production doesn’t require a 100 person orchestra anymore since you have synthesizers. In fact, as costs come down we will have a glut of movies people produce in their bedroom. Just notice, there are no longer the “world class” mozarts and einsteins of the world. Now everything is more democratized.
  - saalweachter 8y ago
    > In fact, as costs come down we will have a glut of movies people produce in their bedroom. Phrasing?

by rimliu 8y ago

saalweachter 8y ago

I mean, strictly speaking the same group of people producing GoT now could continue to do it voluntarily while living off basic income, but you have to include the suppliers as well as the people directly working on the show in that equation. Once your consider the full chain, you're probably looking at something like 2000+ people working full time to make Game of Thrones. How do you organize and incentivize them when there is no material reward for their labor? Right now the incentive is "we'll give you money" and the system of governance is "the person who gives you money tells you want to do". That second part is as much the problem as the first; if you had 2000 people making GoT as a labor of love, what happens when there is a schism over how it should be adapted?

EGreg 8y ago
I see it moving more in the direction of collaboration. For example, Britannica was done in the way you say, while Wikipedia is a mashup of many edits by many people, and governance is done less by money and more by expertise and consensus of people with reputation. Who says Game of Thrones needs to be done this way? We can always have capitalist projects. However, they have a totally different flavor. They suck you in, make you watch more and more, just like fb so you can make them money. Who needs these things, anyway? I for example didn’t have TV since grad school. Sure the high budget shows are cool but they aren’t essential to life. I would even say Copyright can stat but Patents should go. Finding a life saving drug is way more major than producing a blockbuster movie. Not to mention that a lot of stuff can now be automated, eg music production doesn’t require a 100 person orchestra anymore since you have synthesizers. In fact, as costs come down we will have a glut of movies people produce in their bedroom. Just notice, there are no longer the “world class” mozarts and einsteins of the world. Now everything is more democratized.
- saalweachter 8y ago
  > In fact, as costs come down we will have a glut of movies people produce in their bedroom. Phrasing?