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This article ignores the fact that 95% of the budgets of most software companies goes towards writing code, not dev ops. Assuming Docker is indeed a leaky abst

This article ignores the fact that 95% of the budgets of most software companies goes towards writing code, not dev ops. Assuming Docker is indeed a leaky abstraction that is painful to use in production, this still doesn't matter as long as it makes software developers sufficiently more productive, by lowering the friction of developing new software. The development use case for Docker is so undeniably strong that it cannot be ignored. Even if you're running Chef scripts for production servers and have no intention of switching to something else, Docker can still be a fantastic investment for dev teams who have to deal with lots of dependencies. It does seem to me like dev ops is a dying art, for most companies at least.

zwischenzug 8y ago
Got a source for that 95% figure?
- nicodjimenez 8y ago
  Haha I do not, sorry for the random stat. I think my point still remains though. For most companies, more value is created by software developers than by dev ops engineers. You disagree?
  - zwischenzug 8y ago
    People have told me before that maintenance costs 10x as much as development. That was based on some studies IIRC. My experience has backed this up. But it depends what you mean by 'dev' and 'devops' also, I assume.
  - collyw 8y ago
    Most of the time its keeping crap running in my experience, which is a bit of everything.
falcolas 8y ago
> It does seem to me like dev ops is a dying art, for most companies at least. It's funny. I work for a company who has a fully Dockerized pipeline, and a relatively small operations/devops team. We're looking to expand the devops team while staying rather steady for the product development team. Why? Maintaining services, even ones installed over the top of PaaS and IaaS requires manpower and time. And the larger we grow, the more apps we produce, the more external services we consume... the more expertise and time is needed in operations. What could at one time be handled by AWS and Google on our behalf doesn't scale as we grow. Someone needs to understand the AWS API and all of its lovely discrepancies. Someone needs to own CloudFormation template standards and IAM roles and secrets management. Someone needs to set up and maintain security packages and vulnerabilities and prop up the pipelines. Someone needs to own monitoring and the logging pipeline and be on call 24x7 to respond to issues that aren't, can't be automated. Certainly not what management expects or even wants (especially since it did, at one time, just work), but production is still not free, even in this day and age. > 95% of the budgets of most software companies goes towards writing code, not dev ops. As a company grows, expect this number to be slashed dramatically. Not because of operations, but for sales and marketing and administration and legal and HR and CS and infosec and...

zwischenzug 8y ago

Got a source for that 95% figure?

nicodjimenez 8y ago
Haha I do not, sorry for the random stat. I think my point still remains though. For most companies, more value is created by software developers than by dev ops engineers. You disagree?
- zwischenzug 8y ago
  People have told me before that maintenance costs 10x as much as development. That was based on some studies IIRC. My experience has backed this up. But it depends what you mean by 'dev' and 'devops' also, I assume.
- collyw 8y ago
  Most of the time its keeping crap running in my experience, which is a bit of everything.

falcolas 8y ago

> It does seem to me like dev ops is a dying art, for most companies at least. It's funny. I work for a company who has a fully Dockerized pipeline, and a relatively small operations/devops team. We're looking to expand the devops team while staying rather steady for the product development team. Why? Maintaining services, even ones installed over the top of PaaS and IaaS requires manpower and time. And the larger we grow, the more apps we produce, the more external services we consume... the more expertise and time is needed in operations. What could at one time be handled by AWS and Google on our behalf doesn't scale as we grow. Someone needs to understand the AWS API and all of its lovely discrepancies. Someone needs to own CloudFormation template standards and IAM roles and secrets management. Someone needs to set up and maintain security packages and vulnerabilities and prop up the pipelines. Someone needs to own monitoring and the logging pipeline and be on call 24x7 to respond to issues that aren't, can't be automated. Certainly not what management expects or even wants (especially since it did, at one time, just work), but production is still not free, even in this day and age. > 95% of the budgets of most software companies goes towards writing code, not dev ops. As a company grows, expect this number to be slashed dramatically. Not because of operations, but for sales and marketing and administration and legal and HR and CS and infosec and...