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We've had great success with Docker and Kubernetes for our stateless apps. As a developer, one thing I absolutely love is being able to run an image without ha

We've had great success with Docker and Kubernetes for our stateless apps. As a developer, one thing I absolutely love is being able to run an image without having to install anything (other than Docker). If I want to play around with something new, its easy to get started and easy to clean up.

sigjuice 8y ago
Playing with something new should be as simple as unpacking a tarball and rm -rfing the directory when done. This should be possible in the comfort of my home directory and uid. If I need a whole separate copy of a computer's files just to try out something, then something very very fundamental is broken.
- tarr11 8y ago
  How do you install dependencies in this model? As far as can tell, you end up in situations like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/193695/installing-packages-into-local-directory https://askubuntu.com/questions/193695/installing-packages-i...
- DrScump 8y ago
  Playing with something new should be as simple as unpacking a tarball and rm -rfing the directory when done. Needing a single install script before, and uninstall script after is acceptable.
- white-flame 8y ago
  Yes I agree things are fundamentally broken with these situations, and they're at the common OS design level.
- crystaln 8y ago
  What it that something depends on a different operating system and libraries that conflict with yours? Also the world you describe as should is not the world we live in. I should be able to exist in the world without danger or undue prosection.
  - sigjuice 8y ago
    Docker containers primarily mean Linux userland. It doesn’t help you with different operating systems.
KaiserPro 8y ago
Hosting stateless apps is simple. If the underlying host fails? don't worry, just spin up a few new copies. Slap a load balancer infront and we can do a/b or blue green. Smashing. But where is that state held? maybe your lucky and your data can be hosted in a single RDS instance. Maybe your partition scheme is simple. However, managing distributed state is hard_.

sigjuice 8y ago

Playing with something new should be as simple as unpacking a tarball and rm -rfing the directory when done. This should be possible in the comfort of my home directory and uid. If I need a whole separate copy of a computer's files just to try out something, then something very very fundamental is broken.

tarr11 8y ago
How do you install dependencies in this model? As far as can tell, you end up in situations like this https://askubuntu.com/questions/193695/installing-packages-into-local-directory https://askubuntu.com/questions/193695/installing-packages-i...
DrScump 8y ago
Playing with something new should be as simple as unpacking a tarball and rm -rfing the directory when done. Needing a single install script before, and uninstall script after is acceptable.
white-flame 8y ago
Yes I agree things are fundamentally broken with these situations, and they're at the common OS design level.
crystaln 8y ago
What it that something depends on a different operating system and libraries that conflict with yours? Also the world you describe as should is not the world we live in. I should be able to exist in the world without danger or undue prosection.
- sigjuice 8y ago
  Docker containers primarily mean Linux userland. It doesn’t help you with different operating systems.

KaiserPro 8y ago

Hosting stateless apps is simple. If the underlying host fails? don't worry, just spin up a few new copies. Slap a load balancer infront and we can do a/b or blue green. Smashing. But where is that state held? maybe your lucky and your data can be hosted in a single RDS instance. Maybe your partition scheme is simple. However, managing distributed state is hard_.