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I think it's doubtful that anybody will be able to correct your FUD. Once you've bought into this delusion it really seems to trap people forever and rags like

by dnomad 8y ago

I think it's doubtful that anybody will be able to correct your FUD. Once you've bought into this delusion it really seems to trap people forever and rags like the Register are absolutely delighted to feed the fear with nonsense articles for precious clicks. Nothing can change the mindset. It doesn't matter that Java itself is completely open source (Open JDK), that Oracle isn't doing anything they haven't done before (you've always had to pay for support of EOL'd JDKs and JDK 8 is five years old like other EOL'd releases), or that, frankly, Oracle's actual track record here -- that is when you look at the actual actions taken by Oracle over the last ten years -- is generous to a fault. None of this matters to somebody who is committed to the FUD. In the end the thousands of businesses an thousands of open-source projects that use Java will continue to use Java. Others will invest in the FUD around Java and Oracle. Life will go on. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top.

IAmLiterallyAB 8y ago
I guess the worry might be that they will now potentially EOL a lot faster. No one will port their codebase every 6 months (or year or whatever). Not sure what the official EOL strategy is now.
michaelmrose 8y ago
Isn't the support window for each iteration going to be like 6 months? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html Aren't we talking about the company that wants to copyright api no matter what effect his has on the rest of the industry. The same oracle that buys and kills interesting project making the world a less interesting place. The people that are suing google for violations that the original owners of the IP tacitly allowed. You are awful quick to call criticism of oracle FUD and delusion. Are you sure you don't work there?
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Google, Apple, Microsoft and IBM have taken similar actions when they see a need to pursuit such goals. All corporations are alike and many geeks are naive to assign human behavior to companies.
- peterashford 8y ago
  How does this revoke the open source nature of the OpenJDK?
  - imglorp 8y ago
    It doesn't, rather I think Oracle's plan will end up driving people towards OpenJDK. It looks like they're firing their pesky B, C, D, and F customers and keeping their A ones, ie the ones who will pay millions in maintenance. The rest of us, who are currently tied to Sun Java for its stability and who aren't going to pay big maintenance, will have to switch to OpenJDK if we want stability. It's either that or constantly port every 6 months, and pray all the kabillion dependencies we have work okay.
- imglorp 8y ago
  Yep, and remember they also are HUGE into suing or threatening their own customers for benchmarking their products [1], or perhaps pointing out security problems [2]. Etc. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 2. http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-cso-goes-against-bug-bounties-and-security-researchers-2015-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-cso-goes-against-bug-b...

by dnomad 8y ago

IAmLiterallyAB 8y ago

I guess the worry might be that they will now potentially EOL a lot faster. No one will port their codebase every 6 months (or year or whatever). Not sure what the official EOL strategy is now.

michaelmrose 8y ago

Isn't the support window for each iteration going to be like 6 months? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html Aren't we talking about the company that wants to copyright api no matter what effect his has on the rest of the industry. The same oracle that buys and kills interesting project making the world a less interesting place. The people that are suing google for violations that the original owners of the IP tacitly allowed. You are awful quick to call criticism of oracle FUD and delusion. Are you sure you don't work there?

pjmlp 8y ago
Google, Apple, Microsoft and IBM have taken similar actions when they see a need to pursuit such goals. All corporations are alike and many geeks are naive to assign human behavior to companies.
peterashford 8y ago
How does this revoke the open source nature of the OpenJDK?
- imglorp 8y ago
  It doesn't, rather I think Oracle's plan will end up driving people towards OpenJDK. It looks like they're firing their pesky B, C, D, and F customers and keeping their A ones, ie the ones who will pay millions in maintenance. The rest of us, who are currently tied to Sun Java for its stability and who aren't going to pay big maintenance, will have to switch to OpenJDK if we want stability. It's either that or constantly port every 6 months, and pray all the kabillion dependencies we have work okay.
imglorp 8y ago
Yep, and remember they also are HUGE into suing or threatening their own customers for benchmarking their products [1], or perhaps pointing out security problems [2]. Etc. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886333 2. http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-cso-goes-against-bug-bounties-and-security-researchers-2015-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-cso-goes-against-bug-b...