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Certainly better for girls than almost anything anime.

by cm2012 9y ago

Treegarden 9y ago
Whats the message in all three of them? I watch neiter disney princess movies nor animes.
- cm2012 9y ago
  It's not exactly one message - this is across hundreds of film and tv shows. But basically: 1) Old Disney - The best thing that can happen to girls is finding prince charming. 2) New Disney - Girls are just regular protagonists, sometimes purposefully going against the tropes. 3) Anime - Incredibly variety, top 5% is amazing re: girls or boys as protagonists, but a lot of it written for teenage boys and has women as side characters for sex appeal.
  - olavk 9y ago
    Re old disney: I suppose you are thinking about Snow White and Cinderella. Note that the prince play a very small role, everything is about the journey of the girl. If it was gender–swapped you would say princess charming was purely objectified as a prize to be obtained. And some classics like Alice in Wonderland does not fit the template at all.
    - cm2012 9y ago
      I agree that old disney has a worse reputation on this stuff than it deserves.
bo1024 9y ago
Oh man, you have got to watch some Studio Ghibli. Try Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle. (edit: based on another of your comments you seem to be fully aware that there is great non-sexist non-objectifying anime out there, so your "almost any" comment is confusing. I don't know much about anime, but I've been watching some of the highest-recommended and rated films and they've all been great about this in my opinion.)
- cm2012 9y ago
  The best ones are great, but most are not. Sturgeons law and all that. My favorite shows are anime.
- dagw 9y ago
  On the topic of Ghibli, I just finished watching Ronja, the Robber's Daughter with my 8 year old daughter and it was a surprisingly great adaptation. I highly recommend it.
- YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
  The OP said "almost anything anime" - almost. The majority of anime are not Studio Ghibli. We could be discussing anime (and manga) tropes for a very, very long time but there's a clear trend of a very disturbing portrayal of women (actually, "girls") in anime. "Oversexualised" only begins to scratch the surface. While there are certainly mature, grown-up anime with characters that make sense (try Your Name for something newer than Ghibli) a great big chunk of anime are just childish.
  - bo1024 9y ago
    Two different measures on the same set can put "almost all" their probability in different places. I guess it depends how you are discovering anime. Speaking as someone who started at zero and just started watching the most popular and highly-rated films, I encountered very little that's childish and oversexualized -- quite the opposite as compared to classic Disney. So via my discovery process, almost anything anime is great and compares well to Disney for kids. So from my limited experience, I think dismissing the genre like that with a negative stereotype is misleading.
  - d0lph 8y ago
    I'm pretty sure almost is just hedging, you can say it about whatever you like really, it makes your point seem like it's saying more than it's not. In my opinion anime tends to be less childish, and better done than american animation. The sexualization is a bit concerning, but I think that's just different cultural values.
- 8y ago

Certainly better for girls than almost anything anime.

by cm2012 9y ago

Certainly better for girls than almost anything anime.

Treegarden 9y ago

Whats the message in all three of them? I watch neiter disney princess movies nor animes.

cm2012 9y ago
It's not exactly one message - this is across hundreds of film and tv shows. But basically: 1) Old Disney - The best thing that can happen to girls is finding prince charming. 2) New Disney - Girls are just regular protagonists, sometimes purposefully going against the tropes. 3) Anime - Incredibly variety, top 5% is amazing re: girls or boys as protagonists, but a lot of it written for teenage boys and has women as side characters for sex appeal.
- olavk 9y ago
  Re old disney: I suppose you are thinking about Snow White and Cinderella. Note that the prince play a very small role, everything is about the journey of the girl. If it was gender–swapped you would say princess charming was purely objectified as a prize to be obtained. And some classics like Alice in Wonderland does not fit the template at all.
  - cm2012 9y ago
    I agree that old disney has a worse reputation on this stuff than it deserves.

bo1024 9y ago

Oh man, you have got to watch some Studio Ghibli. Try Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle. (edit: based on another of your comments you seem to be fully aware that there is great non-sexist non-objectifying anime out there, so your "almost any" comment is confusing. I don't know much about anime, but I've been watching some of the highest-recommended and rated films and they've all been great about this in my opinion.)

cm2012 9y ago
The best ones are great, but most are not. Sturgeons law and all that. My favorite shows are anime.
dagw 9y ago
On the topic of Ghibli, I just finished watching Ronja, the Robber's Daughter with my 8 year old daughter and it was a surprisingly great adaptation. I highly recommend it.
YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
The OP said "almost anything anime" - almost. The majority of anime are not Studio Ghibli. We could be discussing anime (and manga) tropes for a very, very long time but there's a clear trend of a very disturbing portrayal of women (actually, "girls") in anime. "Oversexualised" only begins to scratch the surface. While there are certainly mature, grown-up anime with characters that make sense (try Your Name for something newer than Ghibli) a great big chunk of anime are just childish.
- bo1024 9y ago
  Two different measures on the same set can put "almost all" their probability in different places. I guess it depends how you are discovering anime. Speaking as someone who started at zero and just started watching the most popular and highly-rated films, I encountered very little that's childish and oversexualized -- quite the opposite as compared to classic Disney. So via my discovery process, almost anything anime is great and compares well to Disney for kids. So from my limited experience, I think dismissing the genre like that with a negative stereotype is misleading.
- d0lph 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure almost is just hedging, you can say it about whatever you like really, it makes your point seem like it's saying more than it's not. In my opinion anime tends to be less childish, and better done than american animation. The sexualization is a bit concerning, but I think that's just different cultural values.
8y ago