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It’s slightly amusing how often people reinvent parts of org-mode.

PurpleRamen 9y ago
Who cares? Org-mode wasn't the first, nor the best. People are often inventing different solutions for the same domain of problems. That's how healthy competition works.
- eyeball 9y ago
  What was? (First, best)
  - kryptiskt 9y ago
    Lotus Agenda
  - yitchelle 9y ago
    That piece of string on my finger...
haraball 9y ago
That sounds a bit to me like why should you create Slack when you have irssi.
applecrazy 9y ago
I've started using org for a month or two, and I love it. However, getting things synced across my devices is a problem, especially since beorg doesn't support Google Drive sync. I feel like this product has its own unique spot on the market provided they can get sync perfect and feature parity with org-agenda. Hopefully they have a CLI client in the works.
- hprotagonist 9y ago
  I sync with `git pull`.
- avallark 9y ago
  really? dropbox does a better job with the sync for me, across all devices.
  - applecrazy 9y ago
    I guess that's true, but I personally use Drive more than Dropbox, and I just wanted that choice to be there.
    - mickael-kerjean 9y ago
      Shameless plug: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode It works on google drive and pretty much everywhere else as well but it's open source
czechdeveloper 9y ago
I tried using org-mode, but I would actually like simpler/reinvented version of it.
- dmortin 9y ago
  The great thing with org is that you can as much or as little of it as you want. One can even use it as a simple TODO list in a single file without using any of the power features. And then one can gradually expand this by using more features if needed. But org can be used efficiently as a very simple, barebone tool if one prefers that.
- samatman 9y ago
  My keybase is in my profile, drop me a line! Or rummage about in my github. It isn't alpha yet, but what's visible is the tip of an iceberg...
daturkel 9y ago
This is a little bit of a silly sentiment. Not everyone wants to use emacs as their daily planner, esp. since it doesn't come with cross-platform syncing or modern GUI out of the box. It would be like saying "It's slightly amusing how often people reinvent the Model T" every time a new car was announced.
- onyva 9y ago
  I’m actually using it with “beorg” (iOS) and find it to be incredibly useful (and cross-platform). I use it for notes, outlines of lectures etc as well as managing my calendar. Locking yourself into another proprietary tool is something you (eventually) learn is a bad idea.
- enitihas 9y ago
  Emacs is cross platform, and since org mode works on plain files, dropbox or any similar software will provide you cross platform syncing.
  - lazyasciiart 9y ago
    wow, emacs comes with dropbox out of the box now? That seems like scope creep.
    - grzm 9y ago
      > "wow, emacs comes with dropbox out of the box now?" I think this was a parsing error. Your parent: > "Emacs is cross platform, and since org mode works on plain files, dropbox or any similar software will provide you cross platform syncing." Alternative construction: Emacs is cross platform and org-mode works on plain files. Therefore Dropbox or any similar software will provide you with cross platform syncing.
      - pitaj 9y ago
        He was being facetious.
      - 9y ago
eyeball 9y ago
I'm looking for an organization tool like this. I don't currently use any of the big programming text editors (no emacs) so am pretty much starting from scratch. Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this, or over microsoft one note? Most of my work is in windows using excel/word/outlook + SAS, oracle SQL, and R (using enterprise guide, toad, and rstudio resp.).
- aijony 9y ago
  Emacs has reminded me of learning an instrument. It takes work to become proficient, but it is a rewarding and enjoyable process. Emacs Speaks Statistics is a project I want to get into but have heard great things about that might interest you, it has support for R, Stata, SAS, etc. Emacs is also great for email (I use notmuch). I also thought that Spacemacs or Doom were great ways to get into Emacs. Once you get into Emacs you won't be satisfied with most other things. Org-mode is the only platform that can do anything I want, and things I didn't even know I wanted. If you like tinkering and have free time (a spare weekend here and there), configuring Emacs becomes a hobby that is quite captivating and rewards you with a powerful tool for productivity, education, or work.
- _acme 9y ago
  Learning org-mode plus enough emacs to use it is vastly more difficult than learning OneNote, and the macOS and iOS versions of OneNote are also quite good (it's not at all Windows-only). You may also export to various other formats and it's not text only; sometimes notes aren't only text but include images or handwriting (which can be OCRed and searched).
- mickael-kerjean 9y ago
  > or over microsoft one note? Choosing one note from the beginning is agreeing technical debt is an awesome thing: - you're stuck with Windows (or whatever mac version they did) - no way to properly version control it (proprietary format and not just text) - good luck to migrate somewhere else (I already experienced it with a colleague that left the company and had his entire knowledge base in there ...) - you got to be happy with the direction Microsoft is taking it. > Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this I don't know about this tool but org mode is as open as it can be and it's been here since years, text based. The time investment is minimal if you just want to use it, it's just all the features around that can take time. I wrote up a tutorial on getting started with org mode if you want to touch the surface of it (https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/20/emacs-tutorial-series-episode-2/ https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/20/emacs-tutorial-series-...) > Most of my work is in ..... R You can literally put R code snippet in your org document and execute it straight from there but that's just one of the many features org mode has to offer
Crontab 9y ago
I've tried org-mode, and Emacs, several times. I even bought a copy of Mastering Emacs Mickey Petersen. But I just don't care for Emacs and I suspect that there are other people who feel the same way.
- Whil- 9y ago
  This argument is really important actually. The design pattern to separate the data from the application solves it. And org-mode has done that in a way as the data is in text-files. But it's not marketed like that. We should really see org-mode as two parts: - Org-mode data format - Software implementation that understands the data - Emacs - ... The syntax is very well thought out as well. Specification here: (https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html) Maybe it's a bit late to hope for wide software adoption for the org-syntax. Markdown has in a way taken that space already. But... I'm still hoping! ;)
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    I'd love org syntax to be more widely adopted, but it probably isn't going to happen. That's because org syntax, without org mode, is just slightly better Markdown. That's not very impressive. Org mode has so many fans because of what the implementation (i.e. org-mode in Emacs) can do with those files. It works as an awesome ASCII table editor. It works as a half-decent spreadsheet. It works as a great planner. It works as a better version of Jupyter. And couple other things.
  - sb8244 9y ago
    Noteplan seems to separate data from application as well. All files are stored in plain text
- noir_lord 9y ago
  I'm one of those people, I get why it's great in theory but in practice every thing about it puts me off, the commands all feel weird (again I understand why - I'm aware of the history), the documentation is lack luster in places, the whole thing just feels off. I'm the same with vim (and against I get why people love it). Most all of my programming is done in an IDE and when I just want an editor (markdown usually) I tend to use vscode (I use it when I have a lot of frontend stuff to do as well, it's TS mode is better than Intellij's).
sb8244 9y ago
I think there's something to be said for out of the box sync and integration with calendar support. Within 10 minutes, I have my phone / computer setup to Noteplan. It is synced with my calendars and I'm playing around with the different syntax to create events and lists. If I spend more than 30 minutes on something, 35$ is a fair price to pay for that time. I have used org-mode and getting it setup cross-device takes significantly more than 30 minutes. (cross device including mobile where git isn't available like it is on a desktop)
- mickael-kerjean 9y ago
  > cross device including mobile where git isn't available like it is on a desktop Proper version control for note is a great thing to have, fortunatly there's ways to make it work cross devices: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode (the screenshots were taken from a mobile device using Git as the place to store documents)

Who cares? Org-mode wasn't the first, nor the best. People are often inventing different solutions for the same domain of problems. That's how healthy competition works.

eyeball 9y ago
What was? (First, best)
- kryptiskt 9y ago
  Lotus Agenda
- yitchelle 9y ago
  That piece of string on my finger...

haraball 9y ago

That sounds a bit to me like why should you create Slack when you have irssi.

applecrazy 9y ago

I've started using org for a month or two, and I love it. However, getting things synced across my devices is a problem, especially since beorg doesn't support Google Drive sync. I feel like this product has its own unique spot on the market provided they can get sync perfect and feature parity with org-agenda. Hopefully they have a CLI client in the works.

hprotagonist 9y ago
I sync with `git pull`.
avallark 9y ago
really? dropbox does a better job with the sync for me, across all devices.
- applecrazy 9y ago
  I guess that's true, but I personally use Drive more than Dropbox, and I just wanted that choice to be there.
  - mickael-kerjean 9y ago
    Shameless plug: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode It works on google drive and pretty much everywhere else as well but it's open source

czechdeveloper 9y ago

I tried using org-mode, but I would actually like simpler/reinvented version of it.

dmortin 9y ago
The great thing with org is that you can as much or as little of it as you want. One can even use it as a simple TODO list in a single file without using any of the power features. And then one can gradually expand this by using more features if needed. But org can be used efficiently as a very simple, barebone tool if one prefers that.
samatman 9y ago
My keybase is in my profile, drop me a line! Or rummage about in my github. It isn't alpha yet, but what's visible is the tip of an iceberg...

daturkel 9y ago

This is a little bit of a silly sentiment. Not everyone wants to use emacs as their daily planner, esp. since it doesn't come with cross-platform syncing or modern GUI out of the box. It would be like saying "It's slightly amusing how often people reinvent the Model T" every time a new car was announced.

onyva 9y ago
I’m actually using it with “beorg” (iOS) and find it to be incredibly useful (and cross-platform). I use it for notes, outlines of lectures etc as well as managing my calendar. Locking yourself into another proprietary tool is something you (eventually) learn is a bad idea.
enitihas 9y ago
Emacs is cross platform, and since org mode works on plain files, dropbox or any similar software will provide you cross platform syncing.
- lazyasciiart 9y ago
  wow, emacs comes with dropbox out of the box now? That seems like scope creep.
  - grzm 9y ago
    > "wow, emacs comes with dropbox out of the box now?" I think this was a parsing error. Your parent: > "Emacs is cross platform, and since org mode works on plain files, dropbox or any similar software will provide you cross platform syncing." Alternative construction: Emacs is cross platform and org-mode works on plain files. Therefore Dropbox or any similar software will provide you with cross platform syncing.
    - pitaj 9y ago
      He was being facetious.
    - 9y ago

eyeball 9y ago

I'm looking for an organization tool like this. I don't currently use any of the big programming text editors (no emacs) so am pretty much starting from scratch. Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this, or over microsoft one note? Most of my work is in windows using excel/word/outlook + SAS, oracle SQL, and R (using enterprise guide, toad, and rstudio resp.).

aijony 9y ago
Emacs has reminded me of learning an instrument. It takes work to become proficient, but it is a rewarding and enjoyable process. Emacs Speaks Statistics is a project I want to get into but have heard great things about that might interest you, it has support for R, Stata, SAS, etc. Emacs is also great for email (I use notmuch). I also thought that Spacemacs or Doom were great ways to get into Emacs. Once you get into Emacs you won't be satisfied with most other things. Org-mode is the only platform that can do anything I want, and things I didn't even know I wanted. If you like tinkering and have free time (a spare weekend here and there), configuring Emacs becomes a hobby that is quite captivating and rewards you with a powerful tool for productivity, education, or work.
_acme 9y ago
Learning org-mode plus enough emacs to use it is vastly more difficult than learning OneNote, and the macOS and iOS versions of OneNote are also quite good (it's not at all Windows-only). You may also export to various other formats and it's not text only; sometimes notes aren't only text but include images or handwriting (which can be OCRed and searched).
mickael-kerjean 9y ago
> or over microsoft one note? Choosing one note from the beginning is agreeing technical debt is an awesome thing: - you're stuck with Windows (or whatever mac version they did) - no way to properly version control it (proprietary format and not just text) - good luck to migrate somewhere else (I already experienced it with a colleague that left the company and had his entire knowledge base in there ...) - you got to be happy with the direction Microsoft is taking it. > Is org-mode great enough to invest in the learning curve over something like this I don't know about this tool but org mode is as open as it can be and it's been here since years, text based. The time investment is minimal if you just want to use it, it's just all the features around that can take time. I wrote up a tutorial on getting started with org mode if you want to touch the surface of it (https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/20/emacs-tutorial-series-episode-2/ https://mickael.kerjean.me/2017/03/20/emacs-tutorial-series-...) > Most of my work is in ..... R You can literally put R code snippet in your org document and execute it straight from there but that's just one of the many features org mode has to offer

Crontab 9y ago

I've tried org-mode, and Emacs, several times. I even bought a copy of Mastering Emacs Mickey Petersen. But I just don't care for Emacs and I suspect that there are other people who feel the same way.

Whil- 9y ago
This argument is really important actually. The design pattern to separate the data from the application solves it. And org-mode has done that in a way as the data is in text-files. But it's not marketed like that. We should really see org-mode as two parts: - Org-mode data format - Software implementation that understands the data - Emacs - ... The syntax is very well thought out as well. Specification here: (https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html) Maybe it's a bit late to hope for wide software adoption for the org-syntax. Markdown has in a way taken that space already. But... I'm still hoping! ;)
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  I'd love org syntax to be more widely adopted, but it probably isn't going to happen. That's because org syntax, without org mode, is just slightly better Markdown. That's not very impressive. Org mode has so many fans because of what the implementation (i.e. org-mode in Emacs) can do with those files. It works as an awesome ASCII table editor. It works as a half-decent spreadsheet. It works as a great planner. It works as a better version of Jupyter. And couple other things.
- sb8244 9y ago
  Noteplan seems to separate data from application as well. All files are stored in plain text
noir_lord 9y ago
I'm one of those people, I get why it's great in theory but in practice every thing about it puts me off, the commands all feel weird (again I understand why - I'm aware of the history), the documentation is lack luster in places, the whole thing just feels off. I'm the same with vim (and against I get why people love it). Most all of my programming is done in an IDE and when I just want an editor (markdown usually) I tend to use vscode (I use it when I have a lot of frontend stuff to do as well, it's TS mode is better than Intellij's).

sb8244 9y ago

I think there's something to be said for out of the box sync and integration with calendar support. Within 10 minutes, I have my phone / computer setup to Noteplan. It is synced with my calendars and I'm playing around with the different syntax to create events and lists. If I spend more than 30 minutes on something, 35$ is a fair price to pay for that time. I have used org-mode and getting it setup cross-device takes significantly more than 30 minutes. (cross device including mobile where git isn't available like it is on a desktop)

mickael-kerjean 9y ago
> cross device including mobile where git isn't available like it is on a desktop Proper version control for note is a great thing to have, fortunatly there's ways to make it work cross devices: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage/wiki/Org-Mode (the screenshots were taken from a mobile device using Git as the place to store documents)