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“The Orville” and “Star Trek Discovery” are both amazing sci-fi shows, although they might not be as “hard” as you’d prefer.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
"The Orville" is on my to-watch list. "Discovery", well... it would stand on its own as a general sci-fi show, but it just isn't Star Trek. The same applies to the JJ Abrams reboot movies. IMO they butchered all the good things about Star Trek, while retaining all the bad ones. So for me, Star Trek franchise still ends at Nemesis (movie) / Enterprise (series).
- YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
  >> "Discovery", well... it would stand on its own as a general sci-fi show, but it just isn't Star Trek. Clearly. Such a shame too, to waste the first Trek series where the main character is a black woman, and also not a starship captain. Unfortunately, it's all just one big cheese-fest from start to end. >> The same applies to the JJ Abrams reboot movies. As a long-term proud trekkie (sorry) I wonder what the general opinion is about the rebooted universe. I personally agree with you, that it's Trek without the Trek, like an ice cream cone without the ice cream, but I wonder what others think.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    I had high hopes for Discovery, but just after first episode I could see it's not going to be a wasted opportunity. As you wrote, they had a good set up for a great show, and proceeded to destroy it. Star Trek is sometimes credited for bringing up an entire generation of scientists and engineers. Can you imagine someone 20 years from now saying something like that about Discovery, or the reboot movies, with a straight face? > As a long-term proud trekkie (sorry) Don't be. I'm a trekkie too :). In fact, I owe my career in computing and general interest in science and space to Star Trek (TNG in particular), which I watched as a kid/teenager.
    - madengr 8y ago
      Ditto. Grew up watching TOS in 70’s and 80’s. When I was 4, I started building the Enterprise in the back yard, and knew how to do it. Though I don’t know now. The TOS heavily influenced me into electrical engineering, especially Spock building something to save the day, such as the mnemonic memory circuit with stone knives and bear claws.
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        > I started building the Enterprise in the back yard, and knew how to do it Hah, I did the same when I was ~10. With a friend, we went out to the park behind some trees where people were dumping appliances, and collected 2 bags of scrap electronics. My mother wasn't too happy when I brought it all home.
- jacksproit 8y ago
  The Orville is like watching more episodes of TNG in all the best ways. I can’t recommend it enough.
- paranoidrobot 8y ago
  > it just isn't Star Trek I felt much the same to start with, but by the end of the season I had mostly forgiven it. At the end of it, my main annoyance is that Those. Are. Not. Klingons. Whatever they are, they've clearly had a species-wide Groupon deal on massive dental reconstruction surgery. Not a single one of them can speak without sounding like they're trying to talk around a half-dozen pairs of socks that've been jammed into their mouth, and then had their jaw wired shut. I'll still not forgive JJ Abrams for his Star Trek 90210 with Super Lens Flares reboot of Trek which completely ignored all the history. Then the obnoxious jerk has the temerity to lie to us outright "No, Bennedict Cumberbatch isn't Khan, it's a surprise!" when the trailers all made that clear. If he were deliberately trying to sink the series, he couldn't have done a better job. JJ's Trek Hack-Job is second only to the travesty that was the 2004 I, Robot film.
- gsich 8y ago
  But it tries so hard...
simonh 8y ago
Love Orville. Discovery oscillates wildly between fantastic (the whole evil alternate universe thing) and miserably rubbish (spore hub drive and rubber Klingons).

TeMPOraL 8y ago

"The Orville" is on my to-watch list. "Discovery", well... it would stand on its own as a general sci-fi show, but it just isn't Star Trek. The same applies to the JJ Abrams reboot movies. IMO they butchered all the good things about Star Trek, while retaining all the bad ones. So for me, Star Trek franchise still ends at Nemesis (movie) / Enterprise (series).

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
>> "Discovery", well... it would stand on its own as a general sci-fi show, but it just isn't Star Trek. Clearly. Such a shame too, to waste the first Trek series where the main character is a black woman, and also not a starship captain. Unfortunately, it's all just one big cheese-fest from start to end. >> The same applies to the JJ Abrams reboot movies. As a long-term proud trekkie (sorry) I wonder what the general opinion is about the rebooted universe. I personally agree with you, that it's Trek without the Trek, like an ice cream cone without the ice cream, but I wonder what others think.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  I had high hopes for Discovery, but just after first episode I could see it's not going to be a wasted opportunity. As you wrote, they had a good set up for a great show, and proceeded to destroy it. Star Trek is sometimes credited for bringing up an entire generation of scientists and engineers. Can you imagine someone 20 years from now saying something like that about Discovery, or the reboot movies, with a straight face? > As a long-term proud trekkie (sorry) Don't be. I'm a trekkie too :). In fact, I owe my career in computing and general interest in science and space to Star Trek (TNG in particular), which I watched as a kid/teenager.
  - madengr 8y ago
    Ditto. Grew up watching TOS in 70’s and 80’s. When I was 4, I started building the Enterprise in the back yard, and knew how to do it. Though I don’t know now. The TOS heavily influenced me into electrical engineering, especially Spock building something to save the day, such as the mnemonic memory circuit with stone knives and bear claws.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      > I started building the Enterprise in the back yard, and knew how to do it Hah, I did the same when I was ~10. With a friend, we went out to the park behind some trees where people were dumping appliances, and collected 2 bags of scrap electronics. My mother wasn't too happy when I brought it all home.
jacksproit 8y ago
The Orville is like watching more episodes of TNG in all the best ways. I can’t recommend it enough.
paranoidrobot 8y ago
> it just isn't Star Trek I felt much the same to start with, but by the end of the season I had mostly forgiven it. At the end of it, my main annoyance is that Those. Are. Not. Klingons. Whatever they are, they've clearly had a species-wide Groupon deal on massive dental reconstruction surgery. Not a single one of them can speak without sounding like they're trying to talk around a half-dozen pairs of socks that've been jammed into their mouth, and then had their jaw wired shut. I'll still not forgive JJ Abrams for his Star Trek 90210 with Super Lens Flares reboot of Trek which completely ignored all the history. Then the obnoxious jerk has the temerity to lie to us outright "No, Bennedict Cumberbatch isn't Khan, it's a surprise!" when the trailers all made that clear. If he were deliberately trying to sink the series, he couldn't have done a better job. JJ's Trek Hack-Job is second only to the travesty that was the 2004 I, Robot film.
gsich 8y ago
But it tries so hard...

simonh 8y ago

Love Orville. Discovery oscillates wildly between fantastic (the whole evil alternate universe thing) and miserably rubbish (spore hub drive and rubber Klingons).