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> If you are a registered user of a Yubico website and have supplied your email address, Yubico may occasionally send you an email to tell you about new feature

> If you are a registered user of a Yubico website and have supplied your email address, Yubico may occasionally send you an email to tell you about new features, solicit your feedback, or just keep you up to date with what’s going on with Yubico and our products. If they made the author a "registered user" when he submitted his address to the replacement program, they should make it clear that's what is happening. Or they need to expand their TOS language a bit...

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
You cannot have ToS for a process you establish to correct a failure to perform for existing contracts, in this case for exchanging a defective product (other than what was part of the original contract).
- ilikepi 8y ago
  Are you summarizing particular laws regarding defective product replacement? This is not an area with which I'm really familiar. The way you phrase it, to me, suggests that it would be impossible (in practical terms) for a company to operate any sort of replacement program via the net, because they'd be required to collect and process personal information digitally, and they would be likely advised to not do so without defining the terms under which that information would be used. Another comment[1] suggests YubiCo implemented this replacement program by issuing coupon codes for their store. The checkout process requires consent to their terms. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17059784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17059784
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    > because they'd be required to collect and process personal information digitally, and they would be likely advised to not do so without defining the terms under which that information would be used. That's absurd. First, they should only collect the information they need to provide a replacement product. Second, they should only use that information to provide a replacement product. That would be the right thing to do, regardless of how anti-consumer the laws in whatever countries are. > The checkout process requires consent to their terms. You can't arbitrarily weaken people's rights via terms in most civilized countries. So if that was the only way to get a replacement, I don't think it'd be too difficult to make a case that the terms are null and void. Certainly in Germany, additional terms such as EULAs are invalid if presented after the purchase. --- However, while the store might have been the most convenient way to get a replacement, I don't know if it was the only way. If they made it clear in the email that there were other ways to get a replacement, well then it's still a shitty move by marketing and ethically questionable, but probably legally okay.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
    If you enter into a sales contract selling some gadget, then you are legally required to deliver that gadget, which also means you are required to deliver it without defects (unless those were agreed upon in the contract as properties of the gadget to be sold). If you happen to so far only have delivered a defective gadget, you haven't fulfilled your contractual obligations. You cannot refuse to fulfill that contractual obligation just because the buyer refuses to agree to additional terms that you ask them to accept. Details obviously depend on the jurisdiction, but the basic principle probably applies just about anywhere.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago

You cannot have ToS for a process you establish to correct a failure to perform for existing contracts, in this case for exchanging a defective product (other than what was part of the original contract).

ilikepi 8y ago
Are you summarizing particular laws regarding defective product replacement? This is not an area with which I'm really familiar. The way you phrase it, to me, suggests that it would be impossible (in practical terms) for a company to operate any sort of replacement program via the net, because they'd be required to collect and process personal information digitally, and they would be likely advised to not do so without defining the terms under which that information would be used. Another comment[1] suggests YubiCo implemented this replacement program by issuing coupon codes for their store. The checkout process requires consent to their terms. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17059784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17059784
- guitarbill 8y ago
  > because they'd be required to collect and process personal information digitally, and they would be likely advised to not do so without defining the terms under which that information would be used. That's absurd. First, they should only collect the information they need to provide a replacement product. Second, they should only use that information to provide a replacement product. That would be the right thing to do, regardless of how anti-consumer the laws in whatever countries are. > The checkout process requires consent to their terms. You can't arbitrarily weaken people's rights via terms in most civilized countries. So if that was the only way to get a replacement, I don't think it'd be too difficult to make a case that the terms are null and void. Certainly in Germany, additional terms such as EULAs are invalid if presented after the purchase. --- However, while the store might have been the most convenient way to get a replacement, I don't know if it was the only way. If they made it clear in the email that there were other ways to get a replacement, well then it's still a shitty move by marketing and ethically questionable, but probably legally okay.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
  If you enter into a sales contract selling some gadget, then you are legally required to deliver that gadget, which also means you are required to deliver it without defects (unless those were agreed upon in the contract as properties of the gadget to be sold). If you happen to so far only have delivered a defective gadget, you haven't fulfilled your contractual obligations. You cannot refuse to fulfill that contractual obligation just because the buyer refuses to agree to additional terms that you ask them to accept. Details obviously depend on the jurisdiction, but the basic principle probably applies just about anywhere.