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> I was told that I could not opt out and that the sample becomes the property of the State and there is nothing I could do about it. That is so disgusting. Fo

> I was told that I could not opt out and that the sample becomes the property of the State and there is nothing I could do about it. That is so disgusting. For all the talk about individuality and liberalism, it's amazing how liberal societies are so authoritarian and controlling. If you don't own your DNA, then what do you own? But I guess big brother knows what's best for us.

burntrelish1273 8y ago
It's not really classical liberalism or socialism, but corporate, neoliberal, infantile fascism driven by the silence and pussification of the majority of people. In the Netherlands, gym membership require drug tests and many rental properties require, either formally or informally, occupants to be of Dutch nationality. Another example is what happens in Berkeley with regard to hierarchy of victimhood SJW closing campus of anyone white and male, instead of promoting tolerance and equity (means equal fairness tailored to needs, while "equality" means essentially a duplicate of everything for everyone, at the cost of waste, not based on need). Free speech means debate, not shouting each other down, instant blocking nor banning from speaking... if a book is worth banning it's probably worth reading, so why not be consistent with public speech?
- eeZah7Ux 8y ago
  > corporate, neoliberal, infantile fascism Not so infantile anymore. > "pussification" ... "SJW" Please keep this words limited to 4chan.
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  - ahbs66 8y ago
    Those are good words that work to talk about certain specific concepts. Do you have any word better than pussification? What about SJW? Do you like the word "baizuo" better?
- raarts 8y ago
  > In the Netherlands, gym membership require drug tests Ehh, that's bull. It doesn't. (source: Dutch, with gym membership)
  - yetanother1980 8y ago
    Does it maybe require accepting that random or targeted drug tests can be carried out and you have no right to refuse? Source this is the case in several countries.
    - raarts 8y ago
      I've never heard of this happening in The Netherlands. I googled around on the Dutch 'net, but nothing came up. Also, there is no legal basis for subjecting employees or applicants to drug tests. So it does not happen here. I'd be interested to know which countries you are referring to.
      - yetanother1980 8y ago
        Denmark and Norway. I think that it's the law in both of those not just gym policy/terms and conditions.
    - watermelon0 8y ago
      Why do/should they care if people in the gym are on drugs or not? I understand you can be fired from the job because of them (due to negative affect they might have on your work), and when participating in competitive sports, but rejecting someone to the gym for the sole reason of them being on drugs seems in-line to refusing them serving in a supermarket for the same reason.
      - yetanother1980 8y ago
        NB I don't necessarily agree with it. This is legislation not gym terms and conditions. It is about public policy towards steroids. I.e. one mentally unstable person did something criminal whilst using steroids and then there was a moral panic.
- raarts 8y ago
  > and many rental properties require, either formally or informally, occupants to be of Dutch nationality. I asked around my expat friends here in The Netherlands, and they could not confirm this.
zo1 8y ago
Well, when you don't own the majority of the fruits of your own labor, then I'd say your "DNA" is a drop in the bucket in comparison. But yeah, precisely how you feel is how Libertarians and other actual free-minded individuals feel about concepts such as taxation. Personally, I don't see DNA as that intrinsic or important as others do. It's just a piece of information about the composition of my body. Sure, if they could completely clone my brain and the essence of what I am, then I could get behind something like this. But as is, I'd just be peeved that someone gets to "use" my DNA. Same way I get peeved that Google/Facebook "use" my browsing habits to train their ML algorithms.
- jurassic 8y ago
  I’m most worried that in the future our DNA could be used by health insurers the way financial institutions use credit scores. Those with genetic predisposition to expensive conditions might never be insureable.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    That would be society doing that, not just insurance companies. Just like before the ACA it was society at large that didn't worry too much about people being dropped from insurance. Sure, people moralize about how awful it is, but then they take the policy with the lower rate instead of the better underwriting.
JeremyBanks 8y ago
DNA is a pretty hard thing to keep private. I wouldn’t think of it as one of the last things you lose right before liberty.

burntrelish1273 8y ago

It's not really classical liberalism or socialism, but corporate, neoliberal, infantile fascism driven by the silence and pussification of the majority of people. In the Netherlands, gym membership require drug tests and many rental properties require, either formally or informally, occupants to be of Dutch nationality. Another example is what happens in Berkeley with regard to hierarchy of victimhood SJW closing campus of anyone white and male, instead of promoting tolerance and equity (means equal fairness tailored to needs, while "equality" means essentially a duplicate of everything for everyone, at the cost of waste, not based on need). Free speech means debate, not shouting each other down, instant blocking nor banning from speaking... if a book is worth banning it's probably worth reading, so why not be consistent with public speech?

eeZah7Ux 8y ago
> corporate, neoliberal, infantile fascism Not so infantile anymore. > "pussification" ... "SJW" Please keep this words limited to 4chan.
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- ahbs66 8y ago
  Those are good words that work to talk about certain specific concepts. Do you have any word better than pussification? What about SJW? Do you like the word "baizuo" better?
raarts 8y ago
> In the Netherlands, gym membership require drug tests Ehh, that's bull. It doesn't. (source: Dutch, with gym membership)
- yetanother1980 8y ago
  Does it maybe require accepting that random or targeted drug tests can be carried out and you have no right to refuse? Source this is the case in several countries.
  - raarts 8y ago
    I've never heard of this happening in The Netherlands. I googled around on the Dutch 'net, but nothing came up. Also, there is no legal basis for subjecting employees or applicants to drug tests. So it does not happen here. I'd be interested to know which countries you are referring to.
    - yetanother1980 8y ago
      Denmark and Norway. I think that it's the law in both of those not just gym policy/terms and conditions.
  - watermelon0 8y ago
    Why do/should they care if people in the gym are on drugs or not? I understand you can be fired from the job because of them (due to negative affect they might have on your work), and when participating in competitive sports, but rejecting someone to the gym for the sole reason of them being on drugs seems in-line to refusing them serving in a supermarket for the same reason.
    - yetanother1980 8y ago
      NB I don't necessarily agree with it. This is legislation not gym terms and conditions. It is about public policy towards steroids. I.e. one mentally unstable person did something criminal whilst using steroids and then there was a moral panic.
raarts 8y ago
> and many rental properties require, either formally or informally, occupants to be of Dutch nationality. I asked around my expat friends here in The Netherlands, and they could not confirm this.

zo1 8y ago

Well, when you don't own the majority of the fruits of your own labor, then I'd say your "DNA" is a drop in the bucket in comparison. But yeah, precisely how you feel is how Libertarians and other actual free-minded individuals feel about concepts such as taxation. Personally, I don't see DNA as that intrinsic or important as others do. It's just a piece of information about the composition of my body. Sure, if they could completely clone my brain and the essence of what I am, then I could get behind something like this. But as is, I'd just be peeved that someone gets to "use" my DNA. Same way I get peeved that Google/Facebook "use" my browsing habits to train their ML algorithms.

jurassic 8y ago
I’m most worried that in the future our DNA could be used by health insurers the way financial institutions use credit scores. Those with genetic predisposition to expensive conditions might never be insureable.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  That would be society doing that, not just insurance companies. Just like before the ACA it was society at large that didn't worry too much about people being dropped from insurance. Sure, people moralize about how awful it is, but then they take the policy with the lower rate instead of the better underwriting.

JeremyBanks 8y ago

DNA is a pretty hard thing to keep private. I wouldn’t think of it as one of the last things you lose right before liberty.