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> “Hacking back should be legalized so Kaspersky could of done this themselves,” the hacker wrote This sentiment seems to becoming more and more popular; I won

> “Hacking back should be legalized so Kaspersky could of done this themselves,” the hacker wrote This sentiment seems to becoming more and more popular; I wonder if we'll see more vigilantes (which the person in the article purports to be) as a result.

rectang 8y ago
When leaders do not submit to the rule of law, neither will the citizenry.
- phaus 8y ago
  The citizenry largely does submit to the rule of law regardless of what the government does. The consequences are too severe to do otherwise. Especially when it comes to the CFAA in the US.
  - Rjevski 8y ago
    > The consequences are too severe to do otherwise. Some basic precautions and common sense is all you need to avoid the CFAA.
    - johnchristopher 8y ago
      Considering the Canadian Fire Alarm Association doesn't keep a strong presence in the US, it's indeed relatively easy to go under the radar.
    - phaus 8y ago
      I'm a security analyst. Maintaining flawless OPSEC for an extended period of time is hard as fuck.
mtgx 8y ago
It's not "more popular". You're just hearing more propaganda about it. Just because you hear a lie more often, doesn't make something true, either.
- tribby 8y ago
  would you characterize the bipartisan introduction of the active cyber defense certainty act (ACDC)[1] to the US house of representatives as "propaganda" or a real thing that happened? we don't know if it's popular (amongst the law makers who control its fate) because there hasn't been a vote yet. "more and more popular," maybe not amongst the infosec community, but "more and more likely to make it to a vote in the years that have passed since the introduction of CFAA?" that seems possible to me. 1. https://tomgraves.house.gov/uploadedfiles/discussion_draft_active_cyber_defense_certainty_act_2.0_rep._tom_graves_ga-14.pdf https://tomgraves.house.gov/uploadedfiles/discussion_draft_a...
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CM30 8y ago
Unfortunately, I suspect vigilante behaviour and thinking is becoming more popular in society as a whole, both in cyber security and outside of it. See also the attacks on social media sites/attempts to get people fired/blacklisted, the increase in protests turning violent, and hacking attempts in general. Feels like a decent percentage of the population have lost faith in the government and rule of law. Which to be fair, wouldn't exactly be a shocking belief where cybersecurity is concerned. The police and authorities rarely do anything effective against hackers, virus creators and other internet law breakers in general, in part because it requires a lot of resources to investigate someone/some group who might very well be on the other side of the planet and outside the victim's legal system. In that sense, I'm not surprised it's getting more popular.
codedokode 8y ago
Shouldn't "hacking back" be extended to companies that collect user's data without obtaining their consent properly, without respecting privacy and local customs like Google, Cambridge Analytics, or Facebook do?

rectang 8y ago

When leaders do not submit to the rule of law, neither will the citizenry.

phaus 8y ago
The citizenry largely does submit to the rule of law regardless of what the government does. The consequences are too severe to do otherwise. Especially when it comes to the CFAA in the US.
- Rjevski 8y ago
  > The consequences are too severe to do otherwise. Some basic precautions and common sense is all you need to avoid the CFAA.
  - johnchristopher 8y ago
    Considering the Canadian Fire Alarm Association doesn't keep a strong presence in the US, it's indeed relatively easy to go under the radar.
  - phaus 8y ago
    I'm a security analyst. Maintaining flawless OPSEC for an extended period of time is hard as fuck.

mtgx 8y ago

It's not "more popular". You're just hearing more propaganda about it. Just because you hear a lie more often, doesn't make something true, either.

tribby 8y ago
would you characterize the bipartisan introduction of the active cyber defense certainty act (ACDC)[1] to the US house of representatives as "propaganda" or a real thing that happened? we don't know if it's popular (amongst the law makers who control its fate) because there hasn't been a vote yet. "more and more popular," maybe not amongst the infosec community, but "more and more likely to make it to a vote in the years that have passed since the introduction of CFAA?" that seems possible to me. 1. https://tomgraves.house.gov/uploadedfiles/discussion_draft_active_cyber_defense_certainty_act_2.0_rep._tom_graves_ga-14.pdf https://tomgraves.house.gov/uploadedfiles/discussion_draft_a...
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CM30 8y ago

Unfortunately, I suspect vigilante behaviour and thinking is becoming more popular in society as a whole, both in cyber security and outside of it. See also the attacks on social media sites/attempts to get people fired/blacklisted, the increase in protests turning violent, and hacking attempts in general. Feels like a decent percentage of the population have lost faith in the government and rule of law. Which to be fair, wouldn't exactly be a shocking belief where cybersecurity is concerned. The police and authorities rarely do anything effective against hackers, virus creators and other internet law breakers in general, in part because it requires a lot of resources to investigate someone/some group who might very well be on the other side of the planet and outside the victim's legal system. In that sense, I'm not surprised it's getting more popular.

codedokode 8y ago

Shouldn't "hacking back" be extended to companies that collect user's data without obtaining their consent properly, without respecting privacy and local customs like Google, Cambridge Analytics, or Facebook do?