> If your criteria for judging laptop keyboards is, "does this feel like an external mechanical keyboard" Hardly, but then I don't say or even imply that by me

> If your criteria for judging laptop keyboards is, "does this feel like an external mechanical keyboard" Hardly, but then I don't say or even imply that by mentioning I bought an external mechanical. I bought it during my brief spell with the 2016 where I was especially disappointed by the keyboard. I still bought Apple even though the keyboard was a mark against. It fits with work and I prefer MacOS/*nix to Windows. I've never been disappointed by Thinkpad keyboards, so it appears someone is able to make a laptop keyboard, the brand has received praise for the keyboard for decades. They (even the recently redesigned one that I see as a step backwards, mainly from poorer layout) are an order of magnitude above anything Apple has used in years. I've always been a bit surprised since my first Macbook years ago that they haven't been trying to surpass Thinkpad for "keyboard experience". To me it seems that Apple should care highly about keyboards as they clearly care enough to be opinionated about many aspects of their products. They don't seem the least bit interested in anything but thinness in keyboards even on the iMac. The keyboard on my 2015 is OK, so is the keyboard on the iMac. Neither is good in my limited personal opinion, but OK enough for daily use. That the new one felt worse, was surprisingly loud, and turned out to be ridiculously fragile in a normal environment is quite some achievement. Keyboards always get pretty diverse opinions so I doubt we'll agree. Touchpads are much easier - Apple have always done consistently better than anyone until the '16 which became newly prone to false activations.