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Really want to emphasize that the loneliness of “loveless men” is one of the very underestimated sad things of the late 20th and early 21st century. Despite hol
by Bucephalus355 8y ago
Really want to emphasize that the loneliness of “loveless men” is one of the very underestimated sad things of the late 20th and early 21st century. Despite hollywood tropes, men, who have smaller social networks than women, typically benefit
more from relationships and suffer more after their dissolution.
Timothy McVeigh, of the Oklahoma City bombing, the Columbine killers, as well as many of the September 11th hijackers, were all virgins. Many authors and postmodern theorists have made this connection.
This is not an isolated issue. It links together with the lack of economic growth of the last 40 years, the rise of autocracy throughout the world, and the failure of capitalism and secularism to dictate any kind of end goal, purpose, or mission statement other than a kind of bland “do what you want, be you”.
Angela Nagle very effectively even links this to the growth of populism and even the alt-right in her book, Kill All Normies.
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-All-Normies-Culture-Alt-Right/dp/1785355430/ref=nodl_ https://www.amazon.com/Kill-All-Normies-Culture-Alt-Right/dp...
- sheepmullet 8y ago> This is not an isolated issue Of course not. Make sex outside of marriage socially acceptable and of course the bottom 30% of men are the losers. Historically a huge proportion of men have never had kids. Far higher than the number of women who never had kids.
- noobermin 8y agoHow does one follow from the other? If true, then weren't the huge proportion of men who never had kids be losers too?
- empath75 8y agoRadical groups like neo-nazis have been actively recruiting from this pool of angry virgins— everything from gamergate to incels. There’s a huge amount of crossover on reddit between 4chan/gamergate/incel/stormfront/the_donald. It’s basically a bunch of older men recruiting vulnerable boys into their personal army.
- dbg31415 8y ago> Timothy McVeigh, of the Oklahoma City bombing, the Columbine killers, as well as many of the September 11th hijackers, were all virgins. Many authors and postmodern theorists have made this connection. Do countries with legalized prostitution have more, or less, domestic terrorism?
- wollw 8y agoSir Issac Newton was a virgin too, just to add some balance to things.
- sridca 8y agoYea; one's position in the sex/desire spectrum doesn't necessarily change their general value/happiness in life. I think one key is in finding something (a hobby) that you identify strongly. I think they call it sublimation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(psychology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(psychology)
- threatofrain 8y agoI doubt the issue is about simply sex, like, have sex and the problem goes away. This is the problem of being undesired, which I feel has more implications than sex.
- obelix_ 8y agoThey could join Buddhist monasteries. It doesn't have to be sad. Lot of Dalai Lama fans around here I see anyways.
- wollw 8y agoOne of the problems with this is our debt based economy. I would have ordained at one point if it weren't for the fact that having taken loans out for school means I'm ironically too poor to take a vow of poverty.
- torstenvl 8y agoJudging from the downvoting, it seems like a large proportion of people either misunderstand or disagree with your larger point, but you're absolutely correct. One of the biggest fundamental drivers of radical Islamist terrorism is the deadly combination of polygamy and stratefied wealth created by oil. Turns out that when you have a population of young, angry, aimless men and ensure there's absolutely no hope of a lasting romantic relationship or procreation, they become much easier to radicalize. Ultimately, social stability requires a critical mass of the population to be future-oriented and put their amygdalae in check. But that doesn't work if there is no hope for the future.