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You’re entirely right, but he’s taken the long path to get there due to overdesign and it’s just eating up too much of his time. The model X was a fiasco and th

You’re entirely right, but he’s taken the long path to get there due to overdesign and it’s just eating up too much of his time. The model X was a fiasco and the 3 isn’t looking much better. He’s solving too many minor design issues and not shipping enough cars.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
It’s my understanding that the Model 3 ramp is the fastest cold ramp in auto production history. “Not looking much better” doesn’t describe the situation.
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- shanghaiaway 8y ago
  It's not.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Considering the QC on the Model 3 has been extremely subpar, being the "fastest cold ramp in auto production history" really just makes Tesla look like the prime example of why you don't do a fast cold ramp. If Musk had been willing to wait one more year to begin commercial production, the Model 3 could have been amazing. Instead, it's a 90s era Kia with a body and a better-looking body.
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Besides fit and finish, multiple sources have showered praise on the quality of the skateboard (battery, power components, motor, suspension, etc). Fit and finish will improve, and major issues can be corrected in the field post delivery. Tesla didn’t have a year to wait. That’s why you sell to fanatics and those passionate first. Early adopters are more forgiving. I’ll worry if quality isn’t high after the preorders are cleared out.
    - gamblor956 8y ago
      Fit and finish are the hardest parts of the process to improve. The skateboard is generally machined and put together by heavily automated/standardized processes. Fit and finish can be automated, but the final quality control steps are done by hand. Fit and finish is also the most important elements to most buyers. Nobody cares if the skateboard has oodles of praise if the dashboard panels are misaligned and the window makes a squeaking noise and Bob next door has a much cheaper car with a much nicer interior.
Cacti 8y ago
The design has nothing to do with it. They simply grossly mismanaged the entire logistics and manufacturing part of the business. They hired way too many way too fast, they ignored the advice of generations of car manufacturers (particularly in regard to automation), they expanded their supplier base (and all the bloat that goes with it) way too fast, etc. During all that, they paid merely average, they worked their employees into the ground, they wasted an incredible amount of cash, they ignored significant problems with their automatic driving capability, etc. Why? It's wasn't because Elon was dicking around with design details, it was hubris. Keep in mind, this is a company that is _fifteen years old_ now, and still has huge trouble in their bread and butter, manufacturing and logistics. These are all issues that should have been sorted out 5+ years ago _before_ they built out at break-neck speed. But, hey, Elon and the other leaders thought they were smarter than everyone. They thought they, unlike every other car company in history, could just wing it.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

It’s my understanding that the Model 3 ramp is the fastest cold ramp in auto production history. “Not looking much better” doesn’t describe the situation.

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shanghaiaway 8y ago
It's not.
gamblor956 8y ago
Considering the QC on the Model 3 has been extremely subpar, being the "fastest cold ramp in auto production history" really just makes Tesla look like the prime example of why you don't do a fast cold ramp. If Musk had been willing to wait one more year to begin commercial production, the Model 3 could have been amazing. Instead, it's a 90s era Kia with a body and a better-looking body.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Besides fit and finish, multiple sources have showered praise on the quality of the skateboard (battery, power components, motor, suspension, etc). Fit and finish will improve, and major issues can be corrected in the field post delivery. Tesla didn’t have a year to wait. That’s why you sell to fanatics and those passionate first. Early adopters are more forgiving. I’ll worry if quality isn’t high after the preorders are cleared out.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    Fit and finish are the hardest parts of the process to improve. The skateboard is generally machined and put together by heavily automated/standardized processes. Fit and finish can be automated, but the final quality control steps are done by hand. Fit and finish is also the most important elements to most buyers. Nobody cares if the skateboard has oodles of praise if the dashboard panels are misaligned and the window makes a squeaking noise and Bob next door has a much cheaper car with a much nicer interior.

Cacti 8y ago

The design has nothing to do with it. They simply grossly mismanaged the entire logistics and manufacturing part of the business. They hired way too many way too fast, they ignored the advice of generations of car manufacturers (particularly in regard to automation), they expanded their supplier base (and all the bloat that goes with it) way too fast, etc. During all that, they paid merely average, they worked their employees into the ground, they wasted an incredible amount of cash, they ignored significant problems with their automatic driving capability, etc. Why? It's wasn't because Elon was dicking around with design details, it was hubris. Keep in mind, this is a company that is _fifteen years old_ now, and still has huge trouble in their bread and butter, manufacturing and logistics. These are all issues that should have been sorted out 5+ years ago _before_ they built out at break-neck speed. But, hey, Elon and the other leaders thought they were smarter than everyone. They thought they, unlike every other car company in history, could just wing it.