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Making It Big In Software: Google's Peter Norvig

74 points by niyazpk 16y ago

gcb 16y ago
This "interview" is as interesting as the back of a cereal box. What a waste of a good opportunity
gkoberger 16y ago
"I'm very pragmatic and try to measure the impact I've had by multiplying the number of people I've done something for by the average impact on them." I think, deep down, this is why any of us get up and go to work every day. He's truly lucky to be able to help hundreds of millions of people- this is much more rewarding than any paycheck he gets from Google.
- ludwigvan 16y ago
  This reminded me of the following comment from Steve Jobs: "You know, I've been thinking about it. How many people are going to be using the Macintosh? A million? No, more than that. In a few years, I bet five million people will be booting up their Macintoshes at least once a day." "Well, let's say you can shave 10 seconds off of the boot time. Multiply that by five million users and thats 50 million seconds, every single day. Over a year, that's probably dozens of lifetimes. So if you make it boot ten seconds faster, you've saved a dozen lives. That's really worth it, don't you think?" http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.tx http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&s...:
  - meric 16y ago
    Fixed link: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&s...
  - zandorg 16y ago
    Whereas Facebook is trying to waste the time of the most people.
    - patrickaljord 16y ago
      How about all those games on the App Store?
      - zandorg 16y ago
        Those games aren't a patch on Facebook's monthly user usage in minutes - which is apparently more than Google's now.
    - dillydally 16y ago
      Computers are for spreadsheets, not for talking with friends!
      - jacquesm 16y ago
        What about forums?
        dillydally 16y ago
        Not allowed! Computers are serious business.
tzury 16y ago
single page http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=224900261 http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml...
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fierarul 16y ago
Don't bother downloading the PDF with the book-chapter. The article is identical.
abecedarius 16y ago
"I'm also proud that I had a small part to play in ... Remote Agent, the first AI program ever to control a spacecraft. I didn't specify or write any of the software myself..." He did fix a bug in it, though -- in a way. :-) That is, back then I noticed a mistake in the unification code which he'd previously pointed out as a common one: http://norvig.com/unify-bug.pdf http://norvig.com/unify-bug.pdf (That particular bit of the code was by HN user 'lisper', incidentally.)
thomas11 16y ago
Does anyone know the "Making it Big in Software" book? Is it any good?
- hello_moto 16y ago
  I checked the reviews and the TOC at Amazon. It looks like the book could be a career changer for some people (depending on how you read it and what you get out of it). I probably won't buy it since I've already decided what matters for me in the long run. But for some who's still looking for guidance or clarification, could be worth it.
aycangulez 16y ago
Norvig's pet peeve: 'Programmers and product managers who can't think about their product from the user's point of view. As Alan Cooper puts it, "The inmates are running the asylum."' Indeed.
- gruseom 16y ago
  I doubt that Norvig would endorse Cooper's even more insane idea for fixing the problem, though, which is to create a ruling class of "designers" to stand between programmers and users.
coffee 16y ago
"People get out of balance when they see their value as being able to respond quickly. If I see myself as a machine for answering email, then my work life would never stop because my email never stops. If instead I see my value as separating the important from the unimportant and making good decisions on the important..." Good stuff...
adambyrtek 16y ago
I was a bit disappointed by the interview. It's very short, shallow and the selection of questions is very predictable. There is a much better interview with Peter Norvig in Coders at Work. http://www.codersatwork.com/peter-norvig.html http://www.codersatwork.com/peter-norvig.html
cybernetics 16y ago
Making it Big in Software is a career guide for geeks - and a damn good one. If you've been in the business for less than 15 years it's a great read, and can really change your professional life for the better. The Norvig interview was just one of 17 interviews with major personalities. These interviews are only about 1/3 of the book. The chapter content (the other 2/3rd of the book) provides great insights on everything from technical skills, to people and project management, how to get faster promotions, successful project proposals, and even how to launch a successful startup. Lots of good stories, cold hard metrics and practical advice. Clearly some serious time went into writing this. Have a look at the Amazon.com reviews. Here's the list of people interviewed in the book. A nice mix of CEOs/techies, young/old, men/women, free software versus commercial software leaders, academics/entrepreneurs. Really big names. 1. Steve Wozniak, Inventor, Apple computer 2. John Schwarz, CEO, Business Objects 3. James Gosling, Inventor, Java programming language 4. Marissa Mayer, Google VP, Search Products and User Experience 5. Jon Bentley, Author, Programming Pearls 6. Marc Benioff, CEO and founder, Salesforce.com 7. Grady Booch, IBM Fellow and co-founder Rational Software 8. Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor, C++ programming language 9. David Vaskevitch, Microsoft CTO 10. Linus Torvalds, Creator, Linux operating system kernel 11. Richard Stallman, Founder, Free software movement 12. Peter Norvig, Google’s Director of Research 13. Mark Russinovich, Microsoft Fellow and Windows Architect 14. Tom Malloy, Adobe Chief Software Architect 15. Diane Greene, Co-founder and past CEO of VMware 16. Robert Kahn, Co-inventor, the Internet 17. Ray Tomlinson, Inventor, email Also some nice quotes from James Hamilton Distinguised Engineer and VP at Amazon.com, and Alan Kay, coinventor of SmallTalk, OOP, and a major contributor to modern GUIs and dynamic interpretted languages. An impresisve book and a fun and useful read.
cybernetics 16y ago
And here is the new 2010 book the interview is from. Best career guide for geeks avaiable IMHO: http://bit.ly/b08auR http://bit.ly/b08auR

74 points by niyazpk 16y ago

gcb 16y ago

This "interview" is as interesting as the back of a cereal box. What a waste of a good opportunity

"I'm very pragmatic and try to measure the impact I've had by multiplying the number of people I've done something for by the average impact on them." I think, deep down, this is why any of us get up and go to work every day. He's truly lucky to be able to help hundreds of millions of people- this is much more rewarding than any paycheck he gets from Google.

ludwigvan 16y ago
This reminded me of the following comment from Steve Jobs: "You know, I've been thinking about it. How many people are going to be using the Macintosh? A million? No, more than that. In a few years, I bet five million people will be booting up their Macintoshes at least once a day." "Well, let's say you can shave 10 seconds off of the boot time. Multiply that by five million users and thats 50 million seconds, every single day. Over a year, that's probably dozens of lifetimes. So if you make it boot ten seconds faster, you've saved a dozen lives. That's really worth it, don't you think?" http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.tx http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&s...:
- meric 16y ago
  Fixed link: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Saving_Lives.txt http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&s...
- zandorg 16y ago
  Whereas Facebook is trying to waste the time of the most people.
  - patrickaljord 16y ago
    How about all those games on the App Store?
    - zandorg 16y ago
      Those games aren't a patch on Facebook's monthly user usage in minutes - which is apparently more than Google's now.
  - dillydally 16y ago
    Computers are for spreadsheets, not for talking with friends!
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      What about forums?
      - dillydally 16y ago
        Not allowed! Computers are serious business.

tzury 16y ago

single page http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=224900261 http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml...

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fierarul 16y ago

Don't bother downloading the PDF with the book-chapter. The article is identical.

abecedarius 16y ago

"I'm also proud that I had a small part to play in ... Remote Agent, the first AI program ever to control a spacecraft. I didn't specify or write any of the software myself..." He did fix a bug in it, though -- in a way. :-) That is, back then I noticed a mistake in the unification code which he'd previously pointed out as a common one: http://norvig.com/unify-bug.pdf http://norvig.com/unify-bug.pdf (That particular bit of the code was by HN user 'lisper', incidentally.)

thomas11 16y ago

Does anyone know the "Making it Big in Software" book? Is it any good?

hello_moto 16y ago
I checked the reviews and the TOC at Amazon. It looks like the book could be a career changer for some people (depending on how you read it and what you get out of it). I probably won't buy it since I've already decided what matters for me in the long run. But for some who's still looking for guidance or clarification, could be worth it.

aycangulez 16y ago

Norvig's pet peeve: 'Programmers and product managers who can't think about their product from the user's point of view. As Alan Cooper puts it, "The inmates are running the asylum."' Indeed.

gruseom 16y ago
I doubt that Norvig would endorse Cooper's even more insane idea for fixing the problem, though, which is to create a ruling class of "designers" to stand between programmers and users.

coffee 16y ago

"People get out of balance when they see their value as being able to respond quickly. If I see myself as a machine for answering email, then my work life would never stop because my email never stops. If instead I see my value as separating the important from the unimportant and making good decisions on the important..." Good stuff...

adambyrtek 16y ago

I was a bit disappointed by the interview. It's very short, shallow and the selection of questions is very predictable. There is a much better interview with Peter Norvig in Coders at Work. http://www.codersatwork.com/peter-norvig.html http://www.codersatwork.com/peter-norvig.html

cybernetics 16y ago

Making it Big in Software is a career guide for geeks - and a damn good one. If you've been in the business for less than 15 years it's a great read, and can really change your professional life for the better. The Norvig interview was just one of 17 interviews with major personalities. These interviews are only about 1/3 of the book. The chapter content (the other 2/3rd of the book) provides great insights on everything from technical skills, to people and project management, how to get faster promotions, successful project proposals, and even how to launch a successful startup. Lots of good stories, cold hard metrics and practical advice. Clearly some serious time went into writing this. Have a look at the Amazon.com reviews. Here's the list of people interviewed in the book. A nice mix of CEOs/techies, young/old, men/women, free software versus commercial software leaders, academics/entrepreneurs. Really big names. 1. Steve Wozniak, Inventor, Apple computer 2. John Schwarz, CEO, Business Objects 3. James Gosling, Inventor, Java programming language 4. Marissa Mayer, Google VP, Search Products and User Experience 5. Jon Bentley, Author, Programming Pearls 6. Marc Benioff, CEO and founder, Salesforce.com 7. Grady Booch, IBM Fellow and co-founder Rational Software 8. Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor, C++ programming language 9. David Vaskevitch, Microsoft CTO 10. Linus Torvalds, Creator, Linux operating system kernel 11. Richard Stallman, Founder, Free software movement 12. Peter Norvig, Google’s Director of Research 13. Mark Russinovich, Microsoft Fellow and Windows Architect 14. Tom Malloy, Adobe Chief Software Architect 15. Diane Greene, Co-founder and past CEO of VMware 16. Robert Kahn, Co-inventor, the Internet 17. Ray Tomlinson, Inventor, email Also some nice quotes from James Hamilton Distinguised Engineer and VP at Amazon.com, and Alan Kay, coinventor of SmallTalk, OOP, and a major contributor to modern GUIs and dynamic interpretted languages. An impresisve book and a fun and useful read.

cybernetics 16y ago

And here is the new 2010 book the interview is from. Best career guide for geeks avaiable IMHO: http://bit.ly/b08auR http://bit.ly/b08auR