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> Apple is in a bad spot. They have beat sales estimates on the MBP and still show growth despite a contracting market. A few people raging on hacker news is n

by mbell 8y ago

> Apple is in a bad spot. They have beat sales estimates on the MBP and still show growth despite a contracting market. A few people raging on hacker news is not representative of the market, nor even software developers as a whole.

gondo 8y ago
loosing influencers (IT professionals are influencers for their family and friends) will hurt apple in the long run.
- agumonkey 8y ago
  True but they'll have the finance allowing for rebound in case their numbers goes down in the future.
- mratzloff 8y ago
  A few people raging on Hacker News is not representative of all influencers, either. As a counterpoint, my current MBP (more than a year old) is half the weight of my old one, and while the keyboard is worse, it's not significant enough for me to jettison the entire ecosystem, which is great. The Touch Bar is fine for me, though I've configured it to act like my old machine. Summary: +2 points weight +1 point improved display and resolution -1 point keyboard +0 points Touch Bar
  - lowbloodsugar 8y ago
    >it's not significant enough for me to jettison the entire ecosystem But significant enough that I bought a five-year-old used MBP rather than buy a new one. I don't care about weight: I miss the 17". And improved resolution? It's the same in 2017 as it was in 2013. 2017 MBP compared to used 2013 MBP CPU +16% GPU + 200% RAM + 0% Display + 0% Weight 4.46lb vs 4.02lbs Keyboard failure rate: +100% Cost difference $2,000. So basically unless you need graphics, get a used one.
    - samat 8y ago
      Display is better, 25% maybe.
  - gondo 8y ago
    I am not saying there is a better alternative out there, yet. but once it appears, it might be too late for apple.
- freehunter 8y ago
  People have been saying that for over a decade though.
zeusk 8y ago
> A few people raging on hacker news is not representative of the market, nor even software developers as a whole. On a link about class action lawsuit against Apple for the same exact reason. Oh, the irony.
hinkley 8y ago
“In a bad spot” is not “dying”. As I said, I’ve bought every second revision of these things for many years, I’m on #4 or 5, clearly I like their products. But what I’m thinking is this: You know, Great Leader has been gone a long time. We were all afraid the wheels would come off and they didn’t, but they haven’t really introduced anything big or new since, so... dunno where that leaves us, but whatever. We’re talking about laptops anyway. Bad hardware happens. There was bound to be something eventually. Especially when your lead designer is off fucking around with buildings (I still don’t know what upper management was thinking there). But he’s back now and a redesign isn’t due for at least another year so fingers crossed. Two bad in a row, then I’ll start to worry. Until then I’m overdue for a new tablet and then a new phone in the next year. I’ll be busy with those for a bit.

by mbell 8y ago

gondo 8y ago

loosing influencers (IT professionals are influencers for their family and friends) will hurt apple in the long run.

agumonkey 8y ago
True but they'll have the finance allowing for rebound in case their numbers goes down in the future.
mratzloff 8y ago
A few people raging on Hacker News is not representative of all influencers, either. As a counterpoint, my current MBP (more than a year old) is half the weight of my old one, and while the keyboard is worse, it's not significant enough for me to jettison the entire ecosystem, which is great. The Touch Bar is fine for me, though I've configured it to act like my old machine. Summary: +2 points weight +1 point improved display and resolution -1 point keyboard +0 points Touch Bar
- lowbloodsugar 8y ago
  >it's not significant enough for me to jettison the entire ecosystem But significant enough that I bought a five-year-old used MBP rather than buy a new one. I don't care about weight: I miss the 17". And improved resolution? It's the same in 2017 as it was in 2013. 2017 MBP compared to used 2013 MBP CPU +16% GPU + 200% RAM + 0% Display + 0% Weight 4.46lb vs 4.02lbs Keyboard failure rate: +100% Cost difference $2,000. So basically unless you need graphics, get a used one.
  - samat 8y ago
    Display is better, 25% maybe.
- gondo 8y ago
  I am not saying there is a better alternative out there, yet. but once it appears, it might be too late for apple.
freehunter 8y ago
People have been saying that for over a decade though.

zeusk 8y ago

> A few people raging on hacker news is not representative of the market, nor even software developers as a whole. On a link about class action lawsuit against Apple for the same exact reason. Oh, the irony.

hinkley 8y ago

“In a bad spot” is not “dying”. As I said, I’ve bought every second revision of these things for many years, I’m on #4 or 5, clearly I like their products. But what I’m thinking is this: You know, Great Leader has been gone a long time. We were all afraid the wheels would come off and they didn’t, but they haven’t really introduced anything big or new since, so... dunno where that leaves us, but whatever. We’re talking about laptops anyway. Bad hardware happens. There was bound to be something eventually. Especially when your lead designer is off fucking around with buildings (I still don’t know what upper management was thinking there). But he’s back now and a redesign isn’t due for at least another year so fingers crossed. Two bad in a row, then I’ll start to worry. Until then I’m overdue for a new tablet and then a new phone in the next year. I’ll be busy with those for a bit.