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I find it endlessly confusing how Apple focuses only on how a machine visually looks and gives little thought to how it physically feels. I never enjoy typing

I find it endlessly confusing how Apple focuses only on how a machine visually looks and gives little thought to how it physically feels. I never enjoy typing on a mac laptop - the metal palm rest tends to feel either very cold or rather hot, the sharp edge of the laptop is uncomfortable to the wrists, and the keyboard itself is very shallow and unsatisfying to type on.

bangonkeyboard 8y ago
> the sharp edge of the laptop is uncomfortable to the wrists This touches on a minor point I don't see brought up much: the corners of the notch to open the lid on the new Touch Bar MBP are surprisingly sharp, sharper than the previous generations. Combined with other similarly sharp, almost unfinished edges around the machine, I see this as a sign of Jony Ive's disdain for human users versus his aluminium designs.
- JustSomeNobody 8y ago
  I thought Jony was off designing the spaceship and left his underlings to design the products the past couple years. Apple made a point of saying he's back now.
  - bangonkeyboard 8y ago
    Without delving too much into Apple Kremlinology, while all product design is a team effort, Jony Ive was always the head and face of Apple's. He and his underlings have a shared perspective and culture, and the corner issue brings to mind an earlier example: During the development of the first iPhone, Ive and his team became enamored with the look of an extruded aluminum prototype. Even though it was immediately apparent that the model's sharp edges made it physically painful to use as a phone, they persisted in trying to push the design and paper over its principal practical problems. It took Steve Jobs to finally step in, point out the obvious, and check Jony Ive's worst tendencies. [0] Steve Jobs is gone, and nobody is left to fulfill his roles. [0]: https://www.cultofmac.com/488008/jony-ive-book-excerpt-iphone/ https://www.cultofmac.com/488008/jony-ive-book-excerpt-iphon...
- FullyFunctional 8y ago
  Typing this on a MBP w/T; I don't particular hate/love the chicklet feel, but I absolutely HATE the cursor keys. Seriously, the two-in-one up-/down-keys are horrible. The touch bar itself boggles my mind in stupidity and had I had a choice I'd have skipped it. I wish I could get 17" matte display with a 2007-era keyboard. I was angry enough to get a Dell XPS 15 (9550), but that's just ok and it's really hard to leave macOS behind.
  - catbodi 8y ago
    I was in the same boat as you, I'm the type of person that wants new hardware but the keyboard design of the rMBP 15 and the touchbar ruined it for me. It took some effort but I have a maxed out 9560 running High Sierra, it is very possible and there are a few generous people who have uploaded their config files to github to make it easier for the rest of us.

bangonkeyboard 8y ago

> the sharp edge of the laptop is uncomfortable to the wrists This touches on a minor point I don't see brought up much: the corners of the notch to open the lid on the new Touch Bar MBP are surprisingly sharp, sharper than the previous generations. Combined with other similarly sharp, almost unfinished edges around the machine, I see this as a sign of Jony Ive's disdain for human users versus his aluminium designs.

JustSomeNobody 8y ago
I thought Jony was off designing the spaceship and left his underlings to design the products the past couple years. Apple made a point of saying he's back now.
- bangonkeyboard 8y ago
  Without delving too much into Apple Kremlinology, while all product design is a team effort, Jony Ive was always the head and face of Apple's. He and his underlings have a shared perspective and culture, and the corner issue brings to mind an earlier example: During the development of the first iPhone, Ive and his team became enamored with the look of an extruded aluminum prototype. Even though it was immediately apparent that the model's sharp edges made it physically painful to use as a phone, they persisted in trying to push the design and paper over its principal practical problems. It took Steve Jobs to finally step in, point out the obvious, and check Jony Ive's worst tendencies. [0] Steve Jobs is gone, and nobody is left to fulfill his roles. [0]: https://www.cultofmac.com/488008/jony-ive-book-excerpt-iphone/ https://www.cultofmac.com/488008/jony-ive-book-excerpt-iphon...
FullyFunctional 8y ago
Typing this on a MBP w/T; I don't particular hate/love the chicklet feel, but I absolutely HATE the cursor keys. Seriously, the two-in-one up-/down-keys are horrible. The touch bar itself boggles my mind in stupidity and had I had a choice I'd have skipped it. I wish I could get 17" matte display with a 2007-era keyboard. I was angry enough to get a Dell XPS 15 (9550), but that's just ok and it's really hard to leave macOS behind.
- catbodi 8y ago
  I was in the same boat as you, I'm the type of person that wants new hardware but the keyboard design of the rMBP 15 and the touchbar ruined it for me. It took some effort but I have a maxed out 9560 running High Sierra, it is very possible and there are a few generous people who have uploaded their config files to github to make it easier for the rest of us.