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As written below, we've done the same for some devs here. The 2015 model just as too many useful features that are now missing for no apparent reason. The new M

As written below, we've done the same for some devs here. The 2015 model just as too many useful features that are now missing for no apparent reason. The new MBP has tinny sound, no magsafe, no hdmi, crappy keyboard, failing usb-c ports, the whole dongle fiasco.. it's just not a good value proposition for the price, compared to the predecessor.

Zak 8y ago
I think replacing the proprietary magsafe plug with standard USB-C is a good idea, but not if the implementation is failure-prone. Tangentially related, I wonder why they haven't replaced the proprietary plug on their phones and tablets with USB-C.
- no1youknowz 8y ago
  I have to agree with jwr on this one. Replacing the magsafe was not a good idea. I've had my MBPr for 5 years now. I can't even count the number of times I didn't need to think about it being connected. As a dedicated notebook user for 14 years now. The previous MBPr was the sweet spot. I'm holding onto my current macbook and refuse to upgrade. I hope some sanity returns to Apple and soon.
  - dismal2 8y ago
    I think the chances of MagSafe coming back are slim. I’m debating getting the last updated 15 with the old style keyboard and MagSafe to hold me over for a while...
- itchyouch 8y ago
  The lightning connector licensing revenue they get from 3rd parties for being "Made for iPhone/iPad/iPod" etc
- jwr 8y ago
  Why do you think it's a good idea? My Magsafe has been yanked out at least hundreds of times. I think it is a fantastic solution and I really do not understand what is "better" about the USB-C connector?
  - tolien 8y ago
    There's no real reason that Apple couldn't have had USB-C and some sort of magnetic detachment, like MagSafe - a bunch of third parties sell cables that do exactly that [1]. 1: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15960594/magc-vinpok-bolt-s-magsafe-magnetic-charging-usb-c-macbook-pro https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15960594/m...
    - happertiger 8y ago
      This is the real point. It was removed and in no way did it need to be. I miss it. The new mbp is no bueno.
  - DRW_ 8y ago
    Because it's a standard. You're no longer required to spend a lot of money on Apple's proprietary chargers, anyone can make a good charger. And you can get magsafe-like USB-C chargers. I don't see why, given that option, you'd choose to limit your options to only being able to buy a legitimate charger from Apple, and that charger only being useful for that one device.
    - jwr 8y ago
      I heard that argument and I don't buy it. First, "it's a standard" ignores reality: there are very few devices out there that implement the standard correctly. Second, I don't buy chargers every day. Third, even if I wanted to buy a charger, I would definitely want to spend the money on Apple's "proprietary" chargers, because they are safer and better than the cheap ones (see http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and... or http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and... for examples). I like Magsafe, I've been very happy with it, and I think it is silly of Apple to abandon it for no good reason.
  - cerberusss 8y ago
    If it has been hacked out so much, isn't that a sign that the power cable is in the way? I mean, I place my laptop it's power cord such that nobody can trip on it.

Zak 8y ago

I think replacing the proprietary magsafe plug with standard USB-C is a good idea, but not if the implementation is failure-prone. Tangentially related, I wonder why they haven't replaced the proprietary plug on their phones and tablets with USB-C.

no1youknowz 8y ago
I have to agree with jwr on this one. Replacing the magsafe was not a good idea. I've had my MBPr for 5 years now. I can't even count the number of times I didn't need to think about it being connected. As a dedicated notebook user for 14 years now. The previous MBPr was the sweet spot. I'm holding onto my current macbook and refuse to upgrade. I hope some sanity returns to Apple and soon.
- dismal2 8y ago
  I think the chances of MagSafe coming back are slim. I’m debating getting the last updated 15 with the old style keyboard and MagSafe to hold me over for a while...
itchyouch 8y ago
The lightning connector licensing revenue they get from 3rd parties for being "Made for iPhone/iPad/iPod" etc
jwr 8y ago
Why do you think it's a good idea? My Magsafe has been yanked out at least hundreds of times. I think it is a fantastic solution and I really do not understand what is "better" about the USB-C connector?
- tolien 8y ago
  There's no real reason that Apple couldn't have had USB-C and some sort of magnetic detachment, like MagSafe - a bunch of third parties sell cables that do exactly that [1]. 1: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15960594/magc-vinpok-bolt-s-magsafe-magnetic-charging-usb-c-macbook-pro https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/12/15960594/m...
  - happertiger 8y ago
    This is the real point. It was removed and in no way did it need to be. I miss it. The new mbp is no bueno.
- DRW_ 8y ago
  Because it's a standard. You're no longer required to spend a lot of money on Apple's proprietary chargers, anyone can make a good charger. And you can get magsafe-like USB-C chargers. I don't see why, given that option, you'd choose to limit your options to only being able to buy a legitimate charger from Apple, and that charger only being useful for that one device.
  - jwr 8y ago
    I heard that argument and I don't buy it. First, "it's a standard" ignores reality: there are very few devices out there that implement the standard correctly. Second, I don't buy chargers every day. Third, even if I wanted to buy a charger, I would definitely want to spend the money on Apple's "proprietary" chargers, because they are safer and better than the cheap ones (see http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and... or http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and... for examples). I like Magsafe, I've been very happy with it, and I think it is silly of Apple to abandon it for no good reason.
- cerberusss 8y ago
  If it has been hacked out so much, isn't that a sign that the power cable is in the way? I mean, I place my laptop it's power cord such that nobody can trip on it.